Smoothbore Enfield

[Mr. King]

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/698767669

Is this one of those enfields meant for colonial use? I cant imagine it being worn out that much...

 

[originalrebelyell]

That is a Enfield made for use in England. It might have been bored out. With the crown and VR under it, it would have not used in the Civil War

 

[Mr. King]

That is a Enfield made for use in England. It might have been bored out. With the crown and VR under it, it would have not used in the Civil War

I figured no ACW usage.

I love these auctions.... everything is labelled as "CONFEDERATE".

 

[mofederal]

I don't understand the reasoning for boring it out. .577 was it's original caliber. I don't think it could be a .69 from constant use. I don't think it is a trade musket. Used in India or Africa maybe. Someone may have bored it out for a shotgun. This seems more than a little odd to me.

 

[johan_steele]

That is a P58 Sgt Fusil made for the Indian or other Colonial troops.

 

[originalrebelyell]

I figured it was made for Indian or Colonial troops.

 

[Mr. King]

That is a P58 Sgt Fusil made for the Indian or other Colonial troops.

I knew it... but only because I read your post regularly. Thanks for the smarts.

 

[Mr. King]

That is a P58 Sgt Fusil made for the Indian or other Colonial troops.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/698765411

What about this one?

2 band 42 Springfield.
.69 cal SB
1849 lock plate...

I dont think it's a Fremont. I'm gonna say Artillery Musketoon... And I base that on things I think I saw you say....

 

[Grayrock Volunteer]

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/698765411

What about this one?

2 band 42 Springfield.
.69 cal SB
1849 lock plate...

I dont think it's a Fremont. I'm gonna say Artillery Musketoon... And I base that on things I think I saw you say....

It's just a cut down m1842 musket.

 

[originalrebelyell]

Agree cut down Springfield 1842

 

[yulzari]

Indian Army Pattern 1859 in 0.656" smooth bore. 0.635" ball and 110 grain charge made up as a musket paper cartridge. Good from modern smooth bore percussion musket competitions. Not for ACW.

 

[UCVRelics]

I would like to see the barrel markings on the 69cal Enfield.

 

[Mr. King]

I would like to see the barrel markings on the 69cal Enfield.

He's in Brandon, MS. Hop on I-20 and set the cruise.
Bring your check book.

 

[johan_steele]

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/698765411

What about this one?

2 band 42 Springfield.
.69 cal SB
1849 lock plate...

I dont think it's a Fremont. I'm gonna say Artillery Musketoon... And I base that on things I think I saw you say....

Definitely not a Fremont, aka Special Model M1842, but a cut down model. I'm still curious about the reality of the Special Model M1842 as there is almost nothing known about it. Claude Fuller was the first I know of to identify it. I've talked w/ a half dozen owners of original Special Model M1842 and all have the commonalities of no eagle on the lock, 1847 date, long range rear site and a bayonet lug for the standard M1842 triangular bayonet.

The P58 Sgt Fusil is a rather neat little weapon, mostly made at Enfield they are of good quality and workmanship but left Enfield as a smoothbore and as has already been mentioned in .65. When I ended up with mine I thought it was a bored out P56... I eagerly loaded her up with the regulation load and the proper weight in buckshot just to see how she fired. She's been fired 5 times, never again. Instead she hangs in the Aliveo Military Museum as part of the English Colonial display.

There is a fella up in the upper midwest who buys up any and all Nepal, Afghan or these critters and modifies them to more closely resemble ACW Enfields. when I queried him on what I had he told me it was India made junk and offered me $50. Let's just say that went over poorly, especially since I've seen a couple since with some curious markings and upon some closer inspection I'd wager they started life as Enfield arms intended for the Sepoys. There is a reason I see a JS anchor stamp and immediately get suspisious.

 

[brcampbe]

That is not a P58 or a P59. It's Khyber junk. Here is a proper P59 unit marked to the 9th Bhopal Infantry. These weapons are better made than any commercial Enfield that served in the US Civil War. It's also interesting to note that these were the last British Ordnance smoothbore accepted as a 1st Class Arm. This one was made by Pryse & Redman and passed through PIMLICO as a 1st Class Arm:

 

[ikesdad]

That is not a P58 or a P59. It's Khyber junk

I was thinking that too.

 

[yulzari]

That is not a P58 or a P59. It's Khyber junk.

Totally agree with you on it being 'Khyber'. I was giving information on the real thing.