Smith Sling Help

[Spunk Puppy]

Hi. What is the period correct sling for a Smith carbine with the two sling swivels on the stock? Not a cavalry ring and bar, I mean this kind:

What is the correct historically authentic military sling for this? Thanks, Dillon

 

[JOHN42768]

This is the Artillery Model of the Smith. There were a lot less of these then the sling bar cavalry model. I would think any period leather sling would be correct.

 

[Spunk Puppy]

This is the Artillery Model of the Smith. There were a lot less of these then the sling bar cavalry model. I would think any period leather sling would be correct.

There was no such thing as the "artillery model", never called by that during the period. They were just the earlier models with these swivels.

 

[UCVRelics]

Good question. I'm familiar with the carbine model which used the standard issue bat wing sling. Lets see if @Package4 may know. I would think that any standard short rifle sling would have used.

 

[JOHN42768]

There was no such thing as the "artillery model", never called by that during the period. They were just the earlier models with these swivels.

Reference "Carbines of the Civil War" by John McAulay page37 "Most of the Smith carbines have the saddle bar ring on the left side of the frame, however a few of the Smith's will have sling swivels mounted on the barrel band and under the buttstock. These carbines with the sling swivels and lacking the saddle bar rod on the frame are known as the Artillery Model". Your welcome, I'm sure.

 

[Spunk Puppy]

Reference "Carbines of the Civil War" by John McAulay page37 "Most of the Smith carbines have the saddle bar ring on the left side of the frame, however a few of the Smith's will have sling swivels mounted on the barrel band and under the buttstock. These carbines with the sling swivels and lacking the saddle bar rod on the frame are known as the Artillery Model". Your welcome, I'm sure.

Interesting. I had at one time heard or read "artillery model" was a modern collector's term not used in the period, but I am most probably wrong as my memory is akin to Swiss cheese.

 

[Spunk Puppy]

Deciding between the "artillery" and the sling and bar "cavalry" model. Leaning towards the artillery so I can carry it in the field with a normal sling, seems more practical, just need a period correct one...

 

[Jobe Holiday]

You are correct, the term "Artillery Model" was a term of convenience created by early collectors when they knew no different.
J.

 

[Package4]

Yes, in fact Chief of Ordnance, Ripley even referred to the Smith, "the carbine is only however a cavalry arm...…" in a letter to Thomas Scott, Assistant Secretary of War on August 17, 1861.

Jobe, is absolutely correct, the term artillery model was coined most likely by Bannerman's and then the early collectors. The early Smith carbines simply had sling swivels and in fact Poultney and Trimble adapted some made with sling swivels to saddle ring and bar. Models with sling swivels are worth a premium, since they are somewhat rare, serials under 11000. McAulay simply refers to them by their collection or model name.

 

[Spunk Puppy]

Lo, and what slingoth doth thine Smith carry?

 

[Package4]

Lo, and what slingoth doth thine Smith carry?

I would have to imagine a shortened musket sling as mentioned before or use a M1841 rifle sling, but blackened: