S North carbine

[Weatherby]

Hi I'm new here.
I'm a hunter, shooter, and collector of various types of guns.

What brought me here was seeking knowledge on this recent one I just picked up.

It has been rifled.
The hammer is broken.
The stock is rough.
The metal and mechanics all seem good.
My name is Paul
What can you tell me about it ?

 

[UCVRelics]

Nice Hall Carbine. Hall carbines and rifles represented the earliest military effort to develop a breechloader, these shorter carbines, although made in smoothbore, were percussion primed from the beginning, this was the last in the series, manufactured by Simeon North, Middletown Connecticut, 1843 to 1853. A thumb lever on the right was used to pivot the entire breech above the barrel for loading, with a gas release hole below the breech to vent on firing. Carbine was originally configured as a single shot .52 cal smoothbore breechloader. . During August 1861, a number of these carbines, now obsolete as a smoothbore, were converted to .58 caliber rifled, this was done under contract for General Fremont, the contract became the subject of a major scandal due to excessive profiteering by the contractor, referred to as the Hall Carbine Affair at the time. Manufactured by Harper's Ferry Arsenal using John Hall's patent. Mark on top of frame: U.S. / S. NORTH / MIDLTN / CONN / 1850. Top of barrel is marked STEEL Additional inspector mark JCB on barrel. Standard features include: iron buttplate with flat shoulder, iron trigger guard, thumb lever opens the breechblock, fixed iron sight, one flat band held by pins, iron nose cap serves as second band, saddle bar with riding ring, ramrod with button head and threads is used for cleaning.

 

[Weatherby]

Thanks for the reply.
Cool gun to learn about.

 

[JOHN42768]

Welcome, enjoy. Known as the M1843 Carbine. There were 11000 produced in original .52 caliber.

 

[Weatherby]

Nice picture of the loading.
I really like it.
I'm going to have to slug the barrel on this because what I'm seeing is most anyway were made to fire 58 to me this measured smaller

 

[Sowbelly and Hardtack]

Welcome to the forum @Weatherby.

For further reading.

 

[Sowbelly and Hardtack]

 

[Weatherby]

Thank you guys.
I'm currently oiling it up some with kroil/atf mix loosening some of the scale.
Any recommendations on what to do what not to do ?

 

[JOHN42768]

Other then basic cleaning I would search for a replacement hammer

 

[captaindrew]

Welcome to the forum Paul

 

[scooter748driver]

Welcome from the Fort Sumter and the Fredericksburg forums

 

[Weatherby]

Other then basic cleaning I would search for a replacement hammer

Definitely getting the replacement hammer.....thank you.
Basic cleaning ?
My plan was to loosen/soften what there is for rust on metal parts slowly and gently remove with brass wool.
Is that the right path ?

 

[Weatherby]

Thanks all for the welcome and help

 

[Rhea Cole]

Definitely getting the replacement hammer.....thank you.
Basic cleaning ?
My plan was to loosen/soften what there is for rust on metal parts slowly and gently remove with brass wool.
Is that the right path ?

If you don't know what you are doing "cleaning" is synonymous with ruining. The sad stories of historic weapons cleaned to death are legion. Talk to an experienced person before you do anything.

 

[Weatherby]

If you don't know what you are doing "cleaning" is synonymous with ruining. The sad stories of historic weapons cleaned to death are legion. Talk to an experienced person before you do anything.

Is that not what I was doing with the question I asked ?
All I want to do is gentle rust removal

 

[Rhea Cole]

Is that not what I was doing with the question I asked ?
All I want to do is gentle rust removal

I have no way of knowing what you were doing. I answered your question, nothing more.

 

[Weatherby]

I have no way of knowing what you were doing. I answered your question, nothing more.

Definitely getting the replacement hammer.....thank you.
Basic cleaning ?
My plan was to loosen/soften what there is for rust on metal parts slowly and gently remove with brass wool.
Is that the right path ?

 

[Weatherby]

Definitely getting the replacement hammer.....thank you.
Basic cleaning ?
My plan was to loosen/soften what there is for rust on metal parts slowly and gently remove with brass wool.
Is that the right path ?

I'm new and took offense Rhea.
Probably shouldn't have.
I thought I described my plans with it however I'm not good at going into detail.

 

[504PIR]

Definitely getting the replacement hammer.....thank you.
Basic cleaning ?
My plan was to loosen/soften what there is for rust on metal parts slowly and gently remove with brass wool.
Is that the right path ?

S&S Firearms is showing a reproduction hammer for the 1843 Hall Carbine. I've bought from S&S a few times over the last few years and never an issue. Good luck

 

[Rhea Cole]

I'm new and took offense Rhea.
Probably shouldn't have.
I thought I described my plans with it however I'm not good at going into detail.

This is a format without nuance. The wisest thing is to check your dignity at the door.