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Hello, My name is Russ, I was a Civil War reenactor for 8 yrs. I was even voted in as V.P. of my organization. Once I became V.P. i had a lot of old members who contacted me wanting to get back into the hobby. Because they enjoyed it but fell out do to serious Drinking and Illegal drug use. I was aware of the issue's and tried to fix them. The main problem was the actual Command Counsel, . When I made the effort to correct the problems they basically told me to go to Hell.... I can't judge them completely because I have drank in the past to where it affected my life.

The reason for my letter is this, I have had a lot of old members who trust me and asked me to start up a new unit. I have been studying the STONEWALL BRIGADE, That is the unit I want to portray. So the first thing I want to do is get some basic Guidelines to use so that I can avoid issues similar to what I have faced. I would be so grateful for any advise. A few people have mentioned PACWAR {I live in the west} or NORTH and SOUTH guidelines. what do you think of them and how do I find their sites..

Thank You and God Bless All Fifty States

Russ (email address removed as per guidelines)
 
Russ,

Being a 'drunk' wasn't something that was admired during the Civil War.

Several accusations of officers being drunk led to several court martial hearings, loss of command, pickets reported drunk were cashiered.

This however, might be worthy of sharing:
O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME IV [S# 4] CHAPTER XII.
NOVEMBER 8-18, 1861.--Revolt of the Unionists in East Tennessee.
CHATTANOOGA, November 17, 1861.
Major-General BRAGG, Pensacola, Fla.:
DEAR SIR AND GENERAL: I have the honor to report to you for your information the following with regard to the Seventh Regiment:
[excerpt]
Upon my return here I find that Brigadier-General Carroll, of the Provisional Army, formerly postmaster at Memphis, Tenn., is here with two more Tennessee regiments and one company flying artillery. General Carroll has just been appointed. He has been drunk not less than five years. He is stupid, but easily controlled. He knows nothing, and I believe I can do with him pretty much as I please. He is going to send two pieces of artillery and 500 men to march up and down Se-quatchie Valley--a useless expenditure of money. The presence of so many troops here is wholly unnecessary. He has, however, only 800 stand of arms. What the others will do I do not know. He speaks of going to Knoxville in a few days. General Hardee is now moving to Eastern Kentucky to join Zollicoffer with 13,000 men. Colonel Lead-better telegraphed me from Bristol to disperse the traitors, station guards at bridges, and move on to Knoxville, but if I station guards my regiment is all gone. I am now dispersing the insurgents, and shall keep at it from this point until I hear from the War Department or you, or again from Colonel Leadbetter. General Carroll will not detain me. I refer you to a letter inclosed for some of my private views. I desire, unless I can get some command here, to come back to you. If I cannot order and have the same discipline, then let me come where I will find it.

I write this that you may know what they have set me to doing. I would have been gratified could you have seen our 9-miles march. I believe you would have been satisfied with the closed ranks, the silence, the activity, and great desire of the men for action.
I am, sir, with great respect, your obedient servant,
S. A.M. WOOD,
Colonel, Comdg. Seventh Regiment Alabama Volunteers.
[Indorsement. ]
This was probably not intended to be forwarded, but containing much information which may be of interest to the Department, I forward it.
BRAXTON BRAGG,
Major-General, Commanding.
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O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME 8 [S# 8]
CORRESPONDENCE, ORDERS. AND RETURNS RELATING TO OPERATIONS IN MISSOURI, ARKANSAS. KANSAS, AND THE INDIAN TERRITORY FROM NOVEMBER 19, 1861, TO APRIL 10, 1862.
UNION CORRESPONDENCE, ETC. --5
EDALIA, January 2, 1862.
General HALLECK:
Two of my spies just in from Springfield humbugged Price completely; went through all his camps safely; saw everything. Train of forty wagons just in from the south with supplies, ammunition, &c, as well as artillery. Has in all sixty-three pieces; none rifled. Horses very poor.

A considerable force at Bolivar. Price's whole force not over 16,000. McCulloch is at Fayetteville, Ark. Price says he is going to Jefferson City as soon as they are organized. At present he has no discipline, no roll-calls, no sentinels, nor picket to prevent passing in and out of Springfield. Rains drunk all the time. Price also drinking too much. No Union men between 8 miles from here and them.
FRED'K STEELE.
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O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME XI/2 [S# 13]
PENINSULAR CAMPAIGN--SEVEN DAYS' BATTLES
No. 140. -- Report of Lieut. Col. Robert C. Buchanan, Fourth U.S. Infantry, commanding First Brigade, of the battle of Gaines' Mill, engagement at Turkey Bridge, and battle of Malvern Hill.
HDQRS. FIRST BRIGADE, REGULAR INFANTRY,
Camp near Harrison's Landing, Va., July 6, 1862.
SIR: In obedience to instructions from division headquarters I have the honor to submit the following report of the operations of my brigade since the 26th of June:
[excerpt]
Maj. Delozier Davidson, Fourth Infantry, absented himself from his regiment at the commencement of the action of the 27th and has not been heard of since: First Lieut. J. B. Williams, Third Infantry, absented himself also on that occasion and has not since joined; Capt. J. Carbery Lay, Twelfth Infantry, is reported as having been drunk during the evening of the 1st of July and unfit for duty, and Second Lieut. Thomas S. Wright, Fourteenth Infantry, absented himself without leave during that evening and has not since joined.
[excerpt]
Believing that my report covers all the principal operations of my brigade, I have the honor to be, your obedient servant,
ROBT. C. BUCHANAN,
Lieutenant-Colonel, Fourth Infantry, Commanding Brigade.
Capt. FRED T. LOCKE,
Asst. Adjt. Gen., Fifth Provisional Army Corps.
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O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME XI/2 [S# 13]
PENINSULAR CAMPAIGN--SEVEN DAYS' BATTLES
No. 321. -- Report of Maj. George M. Waddill, Fifty-third Virginia Infantry, of the engagement at King's School-House, or Oak Grove.
HEADQUARTERS FIFTY-THIRD VIRGINIA REGIMENT,
June 26, 1862.
CAPTAIN: I have the honor to report that after a week's sickness, on the 25th instant, at 11.30 a.m., I returned to my regiment, then on picket, and commanded by Capt. William R. Aylett, and at the time engaging the enemy. Captain Aylett immediately turned over the command to me and used diligence to show me the position of our forces and the enemy, and made the following report of the action of the regiment up to the time of my arrival:
[excerpt]
As the regiment has not yet come in a list of its casualties cannot now be made out, but it is believed to be small. When the long-continued and terrible fire to which the regiment was exposed is considered a small list of casualties would seem to be miraculous, and can only be explained by the facts that our men were deployed as skirmishers, well concealed and protected, and that the enemy were so drunk they could not shoot. This latter view is known to be correct, as prisoners taken were found to be intoxicated. The regiment is at this time acting as reserve for the Fourteenth and Thirty-eighth Virginia, commanded by Captain Martin, Captain Aylett and myself both being sick and unfit for duty.
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
GEO. M. WADDILL,
Major, Fifty-third Virginia Regiment.
----
SERIES I--VOLUME XII/3 [S# 18]
Correspondence, orders, and returns relating specially to operations in Northern Virginia, West Virginia, and Maryland from March 17 to September 2, 1862.
UNION CORRESPONDENCE, ETC.--#32
ALEXANDRIA DEPOT, August 31, 1862.
P. H. WATSON,
Assistant Secretary of War :
A large portion of the nurses who came over last night were drunk and very disorderly. I sent them off, with written directions to the officer in command at Fairfax to arrest every one who was drunk and return him by next train. I understand that a large number are on their way back. They are much in the way. Can you not place a guard on Long Bridge? We are now using cars to bring back nurses, who are satisfied with the experience of one night, and are skedaddling back again.
HAUPT.
(Remember male nurses were commonly employed from the rank and file)

I would think being under the influence is a hazard, regardless if it is legal medicines or illegal drugs and or the intoxication under the influences of alcohol, wine, spirits, liquors and such. There are laws that are on the books, perhaps from the county/town level to the state laws. I'm sure the NRA (National Rifle Association) would back you as far as non-intoxication as far as handling weapons, regardless of purpose and or capabilities.

Hopefully, there will be more re-enactors that have faced similar situations, that can perhaps share their wisdom.

For me though -- I can't get comfortable around people that are reckless when under the influence of drugs/alcohol. I rather be a lone walk on--an orphan, rather than join a group to which the 'Command Council' didn't want to sober up their unit- as to make it safe for them and others around them during reenactment events. Why couldn't they hold off until they are not in a reenactment capacity...?

I wish you much success sir!

Respectfully submitted,
M. E. Wolf
 
I am not a re-enactor, but i have been a spectator at several reenactment events. I have been impressed by the striving for authenticity by the participants. However, I think the line should be drawn at "no alcohol allowed", even though there may have been drunkeness in the ranks during the war. Today's reenactors stop short of using live ammunition; they should also stop short of alcohol use at the events. The safety of participants and spectators is of utmost importance.

Will
 
Drug use & alcohol abuse by the members of any organization should get them removed. Safety is vital... abuse of alcohol & drugs doesn't lead to a safe environment.
 
Our unit regs are pretty clear

Controlled substances are prohibiited and will get you tossed.

Alcohol only AFTER spectator hours at those kind of events, and drunkeness is not tolerated. We dont mnd you pulling a cork, but be moderate
 
This one is kind of cut and dry. Make a unit and write bylaws along with what your goals are for the group.

Don't want drugs or alcohol? Write it up as such.
 
Not a big chug-a-lug myself, but boys will be boys especially after hours.
A particularly grating aspect of the drunk segment is their tendency to keep everybody
awake in the camp until they pass out. People who don't respect themselves
rarely respect others.

Drugs are a separate issue.
 
After hours tippling is fine, as long as it's in moderation. Drugs are a strong no-no. We kicked out a father/son combo due to thier bonding process. They were sitting at a fire and passing a joint back and forth -quite openly. They have both asked to come back, and it's always been a quick sorry once is enough, no second chances on this one. And for some reason it seems to me it's the officers who abuse the drinking. 1 event in Niles Michigan the overall Union commander so drunk/hungover he couldn't get out of his tent on Saturday to conduct morning drill--I guess he felt he was in period. I vowed I would never ever follow him again. I don't. His home unit lets him get plastered and cause trouble at every event. So that unit is a unit we are all avoiding now if possible.
 
The local CS units up here used to have a horrid reputation partying and puking to all hours. It's very difficult to take the field when the opposition refuses to show up for the joint safety inspection... oddly that event died. Another had a well scripted early morning scenario replicating the skrimishing and mad chaos of early morning Shiloh. The rebs never showed up. We who were on the advance pickett kept moving closer to the Reb camp, we were so cheesed off that there was serious contemplation of reversing the roles as not one of the hundred or so rebs was awake when we were supposed to be being driven through our own just waking up camp. They were only just beginning to stir at 0830 when we said the hell w/ it & went back to our respective camps for breakfest. To make matters worse some "ladies" of the CS camp claimed we were the no shows that morning; very rarely have I been so angry and my comment was neither polite or appropriate especially w/ the public present.

Oddly that event hasn't happened again.

It doesn't matter who or what side but when alcohol or drugs are entered into the mix things go right to hell. I often partake in a sip or six in the eve well after the public is gone usually sharing a bit w/ my comrades and even sometimes w/ the wandering reb up for a bit o fellowship. I have been drunk perhaps less than a half dozen times in the last 10 years and never at an event. I have never allowed myself or any member of my unit to become so and the day I do is the day I hang it up and leave the hobby altogether.

I have seen entire units too hungover to move come revellie. I have seen a camp that looked like if all the beer cans were gathered up you could build a bass boat. I was clearly going to te wrong events, or so I thought. The next year I attended an event w/ some of the most stringent standards I have ever seen and what do you know there were some rebs so drunk in the morning they couldn't take the field and they were told, not asked, to leave and not to let the door hit them on the way out.

The problem is that there is a decided lack of standards and or the enforcement of such. Where there are stringent standards and the enforcement of such you get better quality events from the ground up. People who take things seriously get a better job done w/ better results for all involved.

Alcohold abuse and drug use cannot by their very nature end well. I for one, as a unit NCO, will not bend on the subject.
 
The local CS units up here used to have a horrid reputation partying and puking to all hours. It's very difficult to take the field when the opposition refuses to show up for the joint safety inspection... oddly that event died. Another had a well scripted early morning scenario replicating the skrimishing and mad chaos of early morning Shiloh. The rebs never showed up. We who were on the advance pickett kept moving closer to the Reb camp, we were so cheesed off that there was serious contemplation of reversing the roles as not one of the hundred or so rebs was awake when we were supposed to be being driven through our own just waking up camp. They were only just beginning to stir at 0830 when we said the hell w/ it & went back to our respective camps for breakfest. To make matters worse some "ladies" of the CS camp claimed we were the no shows that morning; very rarely have I been so angry and my comment was neither polite or appropriate especially w/ the public present.

Oddly that event hasn't happened again.

It doesn't matter who or what side but when alcohol or drugs are entered into the mix things go right to hell. I often partake in a sip or six in the eve well after the public is gone usually sharing a bit w/ my comrades and even sometimes w/ the wandering reb up for a bit o fellowship. I have been drunk perhaps less than a half dozen times in the last 10 years and never at an event. I have never allowed myself or any member of my unit to become so and the day I do is the day I hang it up and leave the hobby altogether.

I have seen entire units too hungover to move come revellie. I have seen a camp that looked like if all the beer cans were gathered up you could build a bass boat. I was clearly going to te wrong events, or so I thought. The next year I attended an event w/ some of the most stringent standards I have ever seen and what do you know there were some rebs so drunk in the morning they couldn't take the field and they were told, not asked, to leave and not to let the door hit them on the way out.

The problem is that there is a decided lack of standards and or the enforcement of such. Where there are stringent standards and the enforcement of such you get better quality events from the ground up. People who take things seriously get a better job done w/ better results for all involved.

Alcohold abuse and drug use cannot by their very nature end well. I for one, as a unit NCO, will not bend on the subject.

You seem to only have drinking problems with Rebs. I wonder if any yanks drink at all/
Were the Rebs in question actually southerners up in Mn. for a reenactment, or were they locals who were galvanized?

I would think that this sort of thing would not be a reb/yank issue, but rather a unit by unit issue. Am I misinformed?
 
Bama up here for whatever reason the US boys seem to generally have a higher standard, a couple units are big exceptions to that. There is one US Inf unit that is pretty much a joke but not so much because of drinking. Another Cav unit that died had serious safety issues and the commander was a drunk (those were the puitzes that set my sack coat on fire and one of their horses stepped on me). There's one IA unit that infuriates me because they opted to take their namesake as a unit & Company I'm a member in from a different part of the state and lets just say their authenticity standards are less than impressive. So yea US units up here have had issues too. But when it comes to the alcohol issues the local Rebs are the embarrasment.

The rebs in questions are not Southerners transplanted (as far as I know anyway), in reality I don't think most could identify Texas on a map or have even told you who their CO was in 1861-65. That's not fair but it's the impression they gave me.

It is indeed a unit by unit issue. The unit that set the bar for me was the 4th AL that I first met years ago, I don't believe they're around any longer. They were gents that took their gear, weapons and impression very seriously. Unfairly to others those are the guys against which all others are measured by me and few, US or CS, live up to them.

My first unit up here was a dismounted cav unit w/ a CO of questionable honesty & integrity when it came to history. The unit is defunct becuase those of us who were interested in doing our best decided it was time to move on. Membership dwindled and the CO moved away. IMO good riddance.
You seem to only have drinking problems with Rebs. I wonder if any yanks drink at all/
Were the Rebs in question actually southerners up in Mn. for a reenactment, or were they locals who were galvanized?

I would think that this sort of thing would not be a reb/yank issue, but rather a unit by unit issue. Am I misinformed?
 
Bama up here for whatever reason the US boys seem to generally have a higher standard, a couple units are big exceptions to that. There is one US Inf unit that is pretty much a joke but not so much because of drinking. Another Cav unit that died had serious safety issues and the commander was a drunk (those were the puitzes that set my sack coat on fire and one of their horses stepped on me). There's one IA unit that infuriates me because they opted to take their namesake as a unit & Company I'm a member in from a different part of the state and lets just say their authenticity standards are less than impressive. So yea US units up here have had issues too. But when it comes to the alcohol issues the local Rebs are the embarrasment.

The rebs in questions are not Southerners transplanted (as far as I know anyway), in reality I don't think most could identify Texas on a map or have even told you who their CO was in 1861-65. That's not fair but it's the impression they gave me.

It is indeed a unit by unit issue. The unit that set the bar for me was the 4th AL that I first met years ago, I don't believe they're around any longer. They were gents that took their gear, weapons and impression very seriously. Unfairly to others those are the guys against which all others are measured by me and few, US or CS, live up to them.

My first unit up here was a dismounted cav unit w/ a CO of questionable honesty & integrity when it came to history. The unit is defunct becuase those of us who were interested in doing our best decided it was time to move on. Membership dwindled and the CO moved away. IMO good riddance.

i may not know enough about reenacting to ask an intelligent question, but qhat I am trying to get at is who are the Rebs...
For example you mentioned the 4th Alabama. Now the original 4th was from my neck o the woods, had an ancestor in K of the 4th.
When you mention the 4th for example, are you referrin to a bunch of Alabama boys who have resurrected the 4th and have come to Mn for an event, or are you talkin about some Mn boys who have taken on the 4th as a local reenacting unit?
for example, here in Springfile, we have the 116th IL Reactivated. Those boys are ceremonial, taking part in numerous events around springfield, including flag lowering ceremonies at Lincoln's Tomb on a weekly basis. Th is considered a great honor to be singled out for a gift of the flag just lowered by them... A member of the audience is given the flag.
These boys are all local land take their jobs seriously. I don't know if they travel or not.
There was a local calvary unit that appeared in several movies back in the '80's IIRC... I think they have since disbanded
 
Bama, the 4th AL boys I refer to were IIRC out of the Mobile area but it's been quite a few years since I met them at least one was a direct descendent.

The majority of units in MN area seem to limit themselves generally to events w/in 6-8 hours drive w/ 1-2 events a year w/ more distance involved. I missed 145th Franklin & Ft Granger a couple years ago because of work.
 
That's a tough one. It SHOULD be a common sense thing, but like anything else common sense doesn't always cut it. I've never been in a heavy drinking outfit. Both the units I was part of had kind of a don't ask don't tell policy. Just don't let the public see it, keep it to after hours and don't get wasted. It was always pretty informal. I had a flask, took a couple nips here and there , or passed around a bottle of cinnamon schnapps around the campfire on a cold october night in Gettysburg, but that was about it. If you do make regs for it tho, really how can you regulate it other than saying "don't do it"? Unfortunatly if you don't regulate it at all, some units will take advantage of it and ruin the entire weekend. But its a hobby, not a career, and ultimatley if people can't "have a good time" what ever that definition might be, they will just stop showing up altogether. And in this hobby numbers are already enough of a problem without putting more constraints on it.
 
Between North and South California there must be at least 20 re-enacting events. Add Nevada and Arizona you get another 6. We don't allow drug use of any kind. Its actually not a doctor's prescription to smoke a joint. I was told its more a doctor's permission. Light one up and you are gone. Drinking after hours is ok in moderation, get drunk you are not allowed to take the field. Get drunk and cause a ruckus, you lose your membership
 
we have a unit here in florida that is notorious for getting plastered on saturday nite,but NEVER have they EVER failed to show up to colors,drill or any other function that was being conducted at ANY event!!!......Drugs are another matter all together!!,none of the unit's that i know of here in Florida,or any of the commanding officers of those units tolerates drug use in their respective unit's or in either army!!
 

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