Reconstruction under Lincoln

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Again its not a "they did it too argument" at all, but simply a fact that anti civil rights legislation had been passed by a US state under Lincolns watch prior, and it drew no reaction.....theres no reason to speculate he would react differently to another state doing the same, we do actually have a precedent that he didn't step into a state enacting anti-rights law.
Lincoln had a lot in his plate. Had he not been assassinated perhaps he would of protected Chinese and Indian Civil Rights. Certainly Andrew Johnson who pardoned almost all the former Confederate officials was not concerned with the plight of the Chinese and Indian's neither were former Confederates .
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There were goals set forth to advance the belief in America and slavery had become odious to the world. It shamed the Northern Abolitionists, and anyone giving ear to their words. When the war ended a cause had been won, and some other goals set forth, such as Manifest Destiny, transcontinental railroads, healing the Union etc.; the Indians had been a menace to the goals and Chinese were seen as interlopers needed for labor. Until the requirements achieved their purpose, the actual civil rights of these others would be neglected. Public outcry is the only remedy that appears. Bang the drum long enough and loudly until it gets beneath the skin.
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Excellent job of evading the obvious. By Radical Republican do you mean Republicans who supported equal rights for African Americans vs the Democratic party that did not until many decades later?
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No, I mean the Radical Republicans who high-tailed it out of the South when their national party, a decade later, decided that in the interest of political expediency the plight of Southern blacks was no longer their primary concern.
 
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No, I mean the Radical Republicans who high-tailed it out of the South when their national party, a decade later, decided that in the interest of political expediency the plight of Southern blacks was no longer their primary concern.
So they should of stayed in the South and be sitting duck for white terrorism?
Yes the Republican Party did abandon the cause of Civil Rights for black people.
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How so? If Lincolns plan had been carried out, and the south had become active participants in reconstruction by passing the 13th, the 14th and 15th dont pass, least not to far later down the road....With the south being equal partners again, the votes wouldn't be there for passage.
Your vision of the South seems mighty white.

Lincoln proposed limited black suffrage during his last public speech. So let's remember what Lincoln advocated while he was alive before we speculate on what he would have done had he lived.

The KKK seemed to be more a response to the 14th and 15th then the 13th...…..why it doesn't form until 1866.
If the 15th amendment was framed at the end of 1868-69, and the KKK came along in 1866, how can the KKK be a response to the 15th Amendment?

As it was, the KKK began forming before the 14th Amendment was framed.

Perhaps you have cause and effect confused.
 

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Your vision of the South seems mighty white.

Lincoln proposed limited black suffrage during his last public speech. So let's remember what Lincoln advocated while he was alive before we speculate on what he would have done had he lived.
My vision is based on census data.....5.7 million whites in 1860 and 3.5 million slaves in 1860. The majority of the south was still white, its simply the reality of who one was going to have work with postwar. Yes and limited suffrage is hardy full suffrage. Not sure how simply recognizing who was still the majority is somehow a "white vision", its simply recognizing the reality of the postwar south.

If the 15th amendment was framed at the end of 1868-69, and the KKK came along in 1866, how can the KKK be a response to the 15th Amendment?

As it was, the KKK began forming before the 14th Amendment was framed.

Perhaps you have cause and effect confused
No not at all, the KKK formed as a minor club in one city of 10-20 men either in dec 65 or jan 66. It hardly became a widespread entity until the late 1860's...….what changed during the period? The north reneged on its orginal reconstruction promises and pushed the 14th then 15th amendment.…...seems a cause and effect to me.... if not to you.

That unless the United States was going to abandon its democratic principle of majority rule, and state governments, the former confederates were the people who were going to be required to be involved. I personally think Lincoln recognized that, its reflected by his plan to get them back involved early and his statements to let them up easy.
 
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