Question about ancestry.com

nitrofd

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Am the only one having problems with the site.I put in info on a person specific to say the 1880 census of which I know where they were living and all they list are 5000+ names from the census of all the other years but not the one i'm looking for.I know 1890 is not available.
I was just looking at Family Search and see that itis the real site of "The Church of Latter Day Saints" and I can't seem to find out if there is a charge or not.does anyone know if it is for free?.
 
Family Search is free, though they will sometimes link out to paid sites, like Ancestry or Fold3. But they've got a lot of free data.

To limit an Ancestry search to one census, there are several ways, but one is: After you see the 5000 results, look at the left under "all categories" and click "census and voter lists," then click the year.
 
Family Search is free, though they will sometimes link out to paid sites, like Ancestry or Fold3. But they've got a lot of free data.

To limit an Ancestry search to one census, there are several ways, but one is: After you see the 5000 results, look at the left under "all categories" and click "census and voter lists," then click the year.
I've asked for a spefic year census and they give me every other census but what I ask for.
 
I've asked for a spefic year census and they give me every other census but what I ask for.
If the particular year is not a hyperlink, it means there are no results for the search. What I'd do next is go to the home page, click on "search" in the black bar at the top, then "census and voter lists" in the drop down menu, then work with the "narrow by category" on the right to get the census you want, and you can search only within that census. That gives more leeway to do wider searches without getting irrelevant results, and maybe help figure out why he didn't show up in the initial search. Like if you're looking for Ebenezer Smith in Podunk County, Iowa, look for all the Ebenezers in Iowa, or all the Smiths, or that kind of thing. After much grief, I found Bacon Tait listed as Baker Todd in the 1870 census, but I couldn't have done it without focussing on just the one year.
 
If the particular year is not a hyperlink, it means there are no results for the search. What I'd do next is go to the home page, click on "search" in the black bar at the top, then "census and voter lists" in the drop down menu, then work with the "narrow by category" on

Does anyone know if there is a way to narrow a search in the "all categories" bar so as to cut off results before a given year? They give you up to plus or minus ten years for the date of birth or death but if you put in "1675" and "plus or minus ten years" you still get Social Security death index, draft cards from WWI, etc. :banghead:
 
IMO the fastest and easiest way to search a specific census at Familysearch or Ancestry is via google. Google 1880 census or any other year and those sites generally come up #1 and #2.
 
Does anyone know if there is a way to narrow a search in the "all categories" bar so as to cut off results before a given year? They give you up to plus or minus ten years for the date of birth or death but if you put in "1675" and "plus or minus ten years" you still get Social Security death index, draft cards from WWI, etc. :banghead:

For a search like that I prefer to at least start at Familysearch because it's easier to do a specific range of years there. I do the full range of years that I'm interested in first (ie 1800-1870) and then if the results are too overwhelming I do multiple searches with narrow ranges (ie 1800-1820).
 
Does anyone know if there is a way to narrow a search in the "all categories" bar so as to cut off results before a given year? They give you up to plus or minus ten years for the date of birth or death but if you put in "1675" and "plus or minus ten years" you still get Social Security death index, draft cards from WWI, etc. :banghead:
The site has been absolutely bonkers since the new roll out a week ago, so who knows.

However, if you're setting it to only results within a ten year range you really shouldn't be getting things clearly labeled outside that range - that doesn't happen for me and I'm confused about why it would be happening for others.

I know data from the selected non-pops will come up under the entire range that document set covers, which can be annoying.

The easiest way of searching only a particular census is to search just that census. Start with search censuses, then go to browse, select US censuses, then the 1880 census, and then you can search just that census exactly. You can do this with any document by first finding it in the card catalog. If you know exactly what you're trying to find - "Where was this family in 1870?" it's the most efficient way. The benefit of Ancestry over familysearch is the soft search which allows for near misses and common misspellings.
 
Well, their search is completely down at the moment, making it difficult to run tests. Earlier today they had completely lost my DNA page. As I said, the whole site has been bonkers for a week. Reportedly if you phone support at the moment you get a 45 minute wait for a pre- recorded message that says to call back in a week.
 
Well, their search is completely down at the moment, making it difficult to run tests. Earlier today they had completely lost my DNA page. As I said, the whole site has been bonkers for a week. Reportedly if you phone support at the moment you get a 45 minute wait for a pre- recorded message that says to call back in a week.
I have 507 members in our tree but now I can't find anything lately with the searches.my mother was a naturalized citizen and I have her papers and I put all the info in and they come back that no such record exists.I am really getting fed up.
 
I have 507 members in our tree but now I can't find anything lately with the searches.my mother was a naturalized citizen and I have her papers and I put all the info in and they come back that no such record exists.I am really getting fed up.
It's fairly likely that your mom's paperwork is not online. They don't have great databases on immigrants to begin with, and legally anything recent enough to be connected to living people is supposed to be redacted. In practice I can usually get addresses and birth dates on modern people from Ancestry, but they aren't supposed to be there.
 
It's fairly likely that your mom's paperwork is not online. They don't have great databases on immigrants to begin with, and legally anything recent enough to be connected to living people is supposed to be redacted. In practice I can usually get addresses and birth dates on modern people from Ancestry, but they aren't supposed to be there.
My mother was naturalized in 1926,she passed in 1960.
 
However, if you're setting it to only results within a ten year range you really shouldn't be getting things clearly labeled outside that range - that doesn't happen for me and I'm confused about why it would be happening for others.

That's what I thought, but I still do. In any event I have times when I don't know where someone went, and they are not in the census. If a will in Britain says "to my son Charlie X who is beyond the sea", and I have no idea how old Charlie was when it was written (?6 or 60) it would be helpful to be able to enter "all records" "Charlie X" "before 1690" (if that was the date of the will) ad not get some hit on that name from an 1880 Illinois county history. But then it doesn't seem like the tech people at these sites are nuanced researchers. IMHO they wrecked family search a few years back.

As far as your confusion about why it is happening to others, it might not be - it might be just me. I was much better in a big archive or library with miles of stacked, paper books and a big cache of microfilm than I am on a computer. I try, but just have never gotten the hang of it. :redface:
 
For what it's worth I, too, have had difficulty with Ancestry's search engines. As it happens I have professional experience in database management and formal education at the graduate level so I do have a clue. I think the search engines were better before the "new" version came out. Now I find that all sorts of leeway is built into the search no matter what you type in or how you use the sliders. And the sliders also irritate me. Why not just do the search as I entered it rather than expand the search parameters and then require me to also use the sliders to get back to what I asked for in the first place ?

It does work a lot better if you go to the catalogue and select the data set you want there rather than use the general search screen but there do seem to be some loose cannons in the algorithms no matter what you do. Good thing I'm essentially done with my research. Bah on the new Ancestry.
 
It's fairly likely that your mom's paperwork is not online. They don't have great databases on immigrants to begin with, and legally anything recent enough to be connected to living people is supposed to be redacted. In practice I can usually get addresses and birth dates on modern people from Ancestry, but they aren't supposed to be there.

Many records that provide information about living people are legally made available to the public. The 1940 census is one example. The California Birth Index 1905-1995 is another (great for genealogical research, unfortunate for privacy, I might add). I don't know that entire naturalization files are made available to the public, but certainly basic information such as name, date, and country of birth. I just found names and basic info for living persons indexed at Familysearch, and that particular index went up through 1990.

You might look through here--be sure to scroll to the bottom to locate the state.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Naturalization_and_Citizenship

If you don't find the state you're after listed online there, try googling familysearch naturalization records followed by the state. Or use the place search here: https://familysearch.org/catalog/search
 
Well... I tested it, and if I enter, say, Landrum any event 1860 set to within ten years, I don't get any results which don't contain at least one date within ten years. I don't know what to tell you, but for me the search engine is working exactly as it's supposed to.

@mcfb50 - yep, there are several similar databases online, even though Ancestry's stated policy is no modern records for privacy reasons. I can usually find birthdates and addresses and sometimes phone numbers in the city records there.
 
Well... I tested it, and if I enter, say, Landrum any event 1860 set to within ten years, I don't get any results which don't contain at least one date within ten years. I don't know what to tell you, but for me the search engine is working exactly as it's supposed to.

@mcfb50 - yep, there are several similar databases online, even though Ancestry's stated policy is no modern records for privacy reasons. I can usually find birthdates and addresses and sometimes phone numbers in the city records there.

I just tested it and searched a surname in a specific county in Iowa with any event 1860 set to within ten years, and its's showing records all over the place. The top hit meets the date criteria but hit #2 is an 1868 Michigan marriage record and #5 is a death record for someone who was born in TN in 1869 and died in TN in 1944. If I also add in "exact to this place" the top hit changes to a 1930 census record for the correct county and the next four hits remain unchanged.

I know for a fact there should be many census records surfacing for this year and location with this surname.
 
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In the new Ancestry, I completely ignore the first page that comes up in the search, their new "montage" of pseudo relevant facts derived from family trees and other confused data. I go to Categaories in blue on the left and pick one, usually Census and Voter Lists if I'm just beginning. In the old Ancestry those +/- parameters actually limited a search rather than expanded it. I never used them. Re some of the suggestions above, I've been told by National Archives personnel, to search in the specific database of information rather than the general search for specific information such as Civil War Pensions, Ships Passenger Lists, Missouri marriages, etc. I can verify from personal experience that not all info in those databases makes it to the general search, but the specific search of the particular database will often turn it up. No idea why, probably coordination between the two search functions is not complete.

Re 1960 naturalizations, I'd be very surprised if those were in either familysearch.org or ancestry.com. They are public record in the Federal Courthouse in which the ancestor was naturalized. You may call or correspond with the office of the Clerk of that court to have copies of those papers sent to you for a reasonable fee. Since the recent records are pretty readily publicly available, they are not a priority for inclusion in familysearch or Ancestry.

It is helpful to read the descriptions of the databases in Ancestry and BTW any searchable database you're using to see what is included and what is excluded, especially if you're looking for County records and newspaper items. These databases bill themselves and containing much more than they do contain. If newspapers.com doesn't contain the Wichita Eagle for the year in question, you aren't going to find anything from that paper in that database.

Remember that your ancestor's name may be misspelled in the 1880 census. I was looking for a Ryan in the 1870 census just yesterday, and it did not come up under the general search. I searched the 1870 Census specifically narrowing the category to that census in particular and it did come up as Rynn. Why it didn't also come up as Rynn in the general search, I don't know.

The advice above from Allie 1st Lt. to narrow down to one census is good advice, as is the similar advice from others above. You might also get creative and try alternate spellings of your own devising -- we can't expect any search engine to come up with every variation.

Remember, these alternate spellings have nothing to do with your ancestor's level of education, they are the product of several factors: 1) the census takers asked orally for the information and then recorded what they heard, often not inquiring if the informer knew a correct spelling -- they could have mis-heard or used an alternate spelling of the name not used by the family -- in my family Burris for Burrows for example; 2) the census taker was not speaking to a person in the household who really knew the information but who approximated it, guessed or recalled incorrectly; 3) the census taker's notes were then transcribed again to make the census pages we now see, a process which results in the usual human errors in transcription from one person's handwriting into another's. Some census takers and transcribers are smarter than others. 4) then Ancestry or whoever indexes these databases (in China?) types them into something and we switch from handwriting to typing. Again the usual human typos and errors interject themselves into the process. As frequent users of Ancestry will all confirm, often the typed Ancestry summary of the original handwritten document contains misreadings of the original, and often it is the names that are misread. Some skeptics says this is due to the use of foreign labor to do these transcriptions and indexing -- the workers may know English but are not familiar with commonly heard US names. I've done work for myself and others for 10 years and I believe I have yet to see a person whose name was consistently spelled throughout all of their personal records.

Other reasons for alternate spellings in older records have to do with the low literacy rate and with lack of any requirement of conformity in spellings pre early 19th Century. Historians today tear their hair when they see an 18th C letter in which the family's last name is spelled three different ways by an actual family member in one document. Cluff, Clough, Cloph, etc. In my family, one branch spelled it Donal and his brother's branch spelled it Donnell. Same name, sounds the same, different spelling conventions adopted by different individuals, sometimes seemlingly on a whim.

Finally, if you want to find something DO NOT fill in all the specifics you know or use the search forms which Ancestry automatically fills in with everything on your family tree, just wipe that out and fill in at most name, approximate year of birth, location they lived without a timeframe and, if known, where they were born, then click "more options" and fill in sex, race and narrow the search to United States if it says All Collections, unless you are specifically looking for European or Canadian documents. The dramatically decreases the volume of irrelevant results returned.

When you fill in a lot of specifics, as Ancestry encourages you to do, probably for their own reasons, all of your specifics can be accurate, but too much detail prevents you from getting the matches you need which may not mirror your request. I usually just fill in what I mentioned above, and then narrow categories on the left side of the page as I search for different records.
 
Finally, if you want to find something DO NOT fill in all the specifics you know or use the search forms which Ancestry automatically fills in with everything on your family tree, just wipe that out and fill in at most name, approximate year of birth, location they lived without a timeframe and, if known, where they were born, then click "more options" and fill in sex, race and narrow the search to United States if it says All Collections, unless you are specifically looking for European or Canadian documents. The dramatically decreases the volume of irrelevant results returned.

When you fill in a lot of specifics, as Ancestry encourages you to do, probably for their own reasons, all of your specifics can be accurate, but too much detail prevents you from getting the matches you need which may not mirror your request. I usually just fill in what I mentioned above, and then narrow categories on the left side of the page as I search for different records.

I agree that less is usually more at Ancestry! I also will sometimes deliberately change up a letter of the surname to bring up some variations of the results.

I was surprised, but I did find family members who were naturalized in the 1960's indexed at Familysearch, and records up through 1990 were included from that court.
 

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