Probably Reproduction Sword?

[AussieJay]

Hello everybody,

My name is Jason and I live in Australia, you guys have helped me once before with your awesome knowledge and I was hoping that maybe you could share your expertise and help me once more.

I bought this sword at an antique auction and it was billed as an 1860 civil war Cadet pattern sword. I suspect it is a reproduction piece but I did not pay a great deal of money for it and I like the way it looks.

I've done some research on the internet of genuine swords and reproduction swords and was just wondering if you guys could lend your trained eyes.

This sword is unmarked and I know that there are two schools of thought on this and generally marked swords are considered more desirable.

From the tip of the blade to the base it measures 25 and a half inches. From the tip of the blade to the base of the handle it measures 29 and a half inches.

I was hoping you guys could point out the major factors in this being a reproduction sword or on the rare chance that it is genuine, it would be very interesting to hear the pros and cons for both sides.

Thank you once again for your time effort and help it is always greatly appreciated.

Kind regards from Melbourne Australia,

Jason.

 

[Frederick14Va]

It has the known characteristics of an older reproduction. Many of these were coming out of India. (still are).

 

[Jobe Holiday]

I also agree that this sword is a reproduction.
J.

 

[Badgercwcollector]

Hard to tell without seeing in person . Not all swords had markings on the blades and I notice where the blade meets the handle there was a lot of rust could be info under that. Are there any stamp marks in the handle example ( jk ) I bought cavalry sword years ago with no marking and it turned out to be Tiffany NY. None the less it still would look great on the wall above a fire place. Goog luck

 

[originalrebelyell]

It looks like it could be s older reproduction.

 

[Jordan M.E. Williams]

Absolutely Indian made repro. Worth maybe 60 or 50 USD. No such thing as an 1860 cadet pattern cav trooper sabre either.

 

[originalrebelyell]

There are several things that point to reproduction, the grip and the shape the way the grip is put together plus no real wear on the grip , the brass guard, the scabbard especially the scabbard throat the way its made.

 

[Richard E. Schenk]

Aside from everything else already mentioned, this sword is way too short for a cavalry saber, which should have a blade length of about 32". I presume that is why the seller called it a "cadet" sword, but as noted above, there was no such thing as a M1860 cadet saber.

 

[UCVRelics]

I have to agree with my learned member above. Repop

 

[Package4]

Without a doubt an older repro, the scabbard throat is a telltale, not to mention the grip, blade, washer and length.

 

[Jordan M.E. Williams]

Aside from everything else already mentioned, this sword is way too short for a cavalry saber, which should have a blade length of about 32". I presume that is why the seller called it a "cadet" sword, but as noted above, there was no such thing as a M1860 cadet saber.

32 would still be too short for a Cav sword. The M1860 was 36/35.

 

[mofederal]

Even as an older reproduction it is still interesting to see one. I rarely see them in my area. It serves as a lesson in how to tell an original from a reproduction. I have seen a lot of real ones at DGW in the past, which is a short drive from me. Thanks for posting it @AussieJay.

 

[originalrebelyell]

It would still make a nice wall hanger

 

[AussieJay]

Hey everyone. Thank-you all very much for your fast and informative replies. I bought this item under the impression that it was not original and although I am no expert, I had a few impressions that it was not genuine. I wanted it as a display piece and this is what it will be. Though I am very interested in getting something genuine from the Civil War and considering my location, it is not an easy task to find a place which even displays Civil War artefacts. Would you guys be able to recommend a place online where I might be able to look at purchasing something genuine?

Thank-you all again for your help, it is very much appreciated as always.

Kind Regards,

Jason.

 

[Package4]

Hey everyone. Thank-you all very much for your fast and informative replies. I bought this item under the impression that it was not original and although I am no expert, I had a few impressions that it was not genuine. I wanted it as a display piece and this is what it will be. Though I am very interested in getting something genuine from the Civil War and considering my location, it is not an easy task to find a place which even displays Civil War artefacts. Would you guys be able to recommend a place online where I might be able to look at purchasing something genuine?

Thank-you all again for your help, it is very much appreciated as always.

Kind Regards,

Jason.

Try www.civilwardealers.com I have my favorites (Dave Taylor, Battleground Antiques, CSArms, College Hill Arsenal) all of those stand behind their pieces and many others do as well. Prices have come down considerably on the average sword.

Good luck!

Ray

 

[Jordan M.E. Williams]

Hey everyone. Thank-you all very much for your fast and informative replies. I bought this item under the impression that it was not original and although I am no expert, I had a few impressions that it was not genuine. I wanted it as a display piece and this is what it will be. Though I am very interested in getting something genuine from the Civil War and considering my location, it is not an easy task to find a place which even displays Civil War artefacts. Would you guys be able to recommend a place online where I might be able to look at purchasing something genuine?

Thank-you all again for your help, it is very much appreciated as always.

Kind Regards,

Jason.

All dealers will mark their items up past private market value. I recommend learning the patterns and taking to eBay. A few books and albums of photos will be magical. Be sure to save many photos of confirmed originals. If you want, let me know and I'll send you photos of my original 1860, so you can recognize an original.

And finally, don't buy anything confederate without an independent evaluation and that Ames didn t make cavalry swords in 1862. All Ames 1862 marks on the M1860 line are fake.