"Prince" Magruder uniform

[Loradalbertum]

Hi
Do you have any idea what color "Prince" Magruder's uniform is in this illustration from Osprey's book about Confederate generals? It looks dark blue to me, like the kepi he's holding. Thanks in advance for your responses.

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

The illustration does show it as blue, and I suspect it was inspired by the most famous photo of him. Which is actually a series of them in his, flamboyant, full dress uniform:

The uniform plainly has Confederate rank insignia, and the aiguilette, his French Mande kepi, and sash survive, in the former Museum of the Confederacy.

However, while it may appear "blue" his uniform in reality being that color is highly unlikely. I would suppose it was of imported blue-gray kersey cloth from Britain. It was plentiful in Texas, where he commanded later in the war, and the uniform coat of his aide-de-camp also survives in the same museum, made of that cloth as I recall. Along with more than few officer's uniforms from the area of the same extant.

It looks blue to many folks in a certain light, and in black and white photography, guess what…

For more information and to get an idea of that color "wool" here you go:

Comparing Color of Cadet Gray Kersey: Originals vs. Replicas

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[Trooper "D"]

The illustration does show it as blue, and I suspect it was inspired by the most famous photo of him. Which is actually a series of them in his, flamboyant, full dress uniform:

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The uniform plainly has Confederate rank insignia, and the aiguilette, his French Mande kepi, and sash survive, in the former Museum of the Confederacy.

However, while it may appear "blue" his uniform in reality being that color is highly unlikely. I would suppose it was of imported blue-gray kersey cloth from Britain. It was plentiful in Texas, where he commanded later in the war, and the uniform coat of his aide-de-camp also survives in the same museum, made of that cloth as I recall. Along with more than few officer's uniforms from the area of the same extant.

It looks blue to many folks in a certain light, and in black and white photography, guess what…

For more information and to get an idea of that color "wool" here you go:

Comparing Color of Cadet Gray Kersey: Originals vs. Replicas

I have been studying Confederate uniforms since 1986. During that time, I have probably seen more Confederate uniforms than anyone on the planet today: the result of making this research my...

adolphusconfederateuniforms.com

Early war his uniform being blue is not out of this world. He has a Chappeau in his hand. Who wore one if those seriously? If his was an early war photo it would not be surprising that the uniforms is blue. The whole Blue/Grey thing didn't really come to pass until 1863 and even then who knows? I wouldn't count it out that the uniform is not blue. Who from their former commands did not sport blue uniforms at the beginning of the Secession Violence?

 

[Loradalbertum]

The illustration does show it as blue, and I suspect it was inspired by the most famous photo of him. Which is actually a series of them in his, flamboyant, full dress uniform:

View attachment 556222

The uniform plainly has Confederate rank insignia, and the aiguilette, his French Mande kepi, and sash survive, in the former Museum of the Confederacy.

However, while it may appear "blue" his uniform in reality being that color is highly unlikely. I would suppose it was of imported blue-gray kersey cloth from Britain. It was plentiful in Texas, where he commanded later in the war, and the uniform coat of his aide-de-camp also survives in the same museum, made of that cloth as I recall. Along with more than few officer's uniforms from the area of the same extant.

It looks blue to many folks in a certain light, and in black and white photography, guess what…

For more information and to get an idea of that color "wool" here you go:

Comparing Color of Cadet Gray Kersey: Originals vs. Replicas

I have been studying Confederate uniforms since 1986. During that time, I have probably seen more Confederate uniforms than anyone on the planet today: the result of making this research my...

adolphusconfederateuniforms.com

Thanks a lot for the information

 

[Trooper "D"]

Early war his uniform being blue is not out of this world. He has a Chappeau in his hand. Who wore one if those seriously? If his was an early war photo it would not be surprising that the uniforms is blue. The whole Blue/Grey thing didn't really come to pass until 1863 and even then who knows? I wouldn't count it out that the uniform is not blue. Who from their former commands did not sport blue uniforms at the beginning of the Secession Violence?

Another point would be that light has a huge influence on photography since it is based on light. One can find photos of Yankees in obvious dark blue coats that look lighter than dark blue. This General's uniform looks much darker than many of those photos.

 

[Cavalier]

Didn't Stonewall Jackson wear a blue uniform at first Bull Run?

John

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

Early war his uniform being blue is not out of this world. He has a Chappeau in his hand. Who wore one if those seriously? If his was an early war photo it would not be surprising that the uniforms is blue. The whole Blue/Grey thing didn't really come to pass until 1863 and even then who knows? I wouldn't count it out that the uniform is not blue. Who from their former commands did not sport blue uniforms at the beginning of the Secession Violence?

I'm doubtful of it an early war. The uniform has Confederate collar insignia and Austrian knots. Known features on a very small handful of junior officers that opted for blue uniforms, and it was a very small number, but Generals? Almost impossible.

All known instances of C.S. Generals in blue, is wearing their pre-war Antebellum uniforms. This plainly isn't a U.S. uniform.

Early war, Magruder was busy in the East, mid-late war he was commanding Texas, in mostly boredom. That time, along with rich pickings of stuff imported from Europe. I find it far more likely he got acquired his famous French-made kepi, the aiguilette, and other fancy pickings during that time. Certainly more time to pose for multiple pictures, which he did.

 

[Trooper "D"]

I'm doubtful of it an early war. The uniform has Confederate collar insignia and Austrian knots. Known features on a very small handful of junior officers that opted for blue uniforms, and it was a very small number, but Generals? Almost impossible.

All known instances of C.S. Generals in blue, is wearing their pre-war Antebellum uniforms. This plainly isn't a U.S. uniform.

Early war, Magruder was busy in the East, mid-late war he was commanding Texas, in mostly boredom. That time, along with rich pickings of stuff imported from Europe. I find it far more likely he got acquired his famous French-made kepi, the aiguilette, and other fancy pickings during that time. Certainly more time to pose for multiple pictures, which he did.

Yes! And his General's cap is blue. Boredom in Texas? Glen Campbell wrote a song. "Galveston". Prince John was not bored in Texas.

 

[captaindrew]

Didn't Stonewall Jackson wear a blue uniform at first Bull Run?

John

Yes, it was his VMI uniform

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

Yes! And his General's cap is blue. Boredom in Texas? Glen Campbell wrote a song. "Galveston". Prince John was not bored in Texas.

I was referring to the lack of "action" after Galveston, Sabine Pass and so on after mid-1863. All the action was in Louisiana, Arkansas and Indian Territory.

 

[Trooper "D"]

I was referring to the lack of "action" after Galveston, Sabine Pass and so on after mid-1863. All the action was in Louisiana, Arkansas and Indian Territory.

Don't mind me. I pop off occasionally. Yes of course you are correct. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Cheers!

 

[Trooper "D"]

I was referring to the lack of "action" after Galveston, Sabine Pass and so on after mid-1863. All the action was in Louisiana, Arkansas and Indian Territory.

What stunts do you do at Stone's River?
We had a nurse here a few years back who's maiden name is Stone. Her family are the Stone's of Stone's River fame. I cant remember off hand what her name is. She had a Spanish last name.
Theresa Salvatore. I guess that could be Italian. I still have my old 2022 medical card and she is on it. Anyway, apparently they still own a huge swath of land out there.
Cheers!

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

What stunts do you do at Stone's River?
We had a nurse here a few years back who's maiden name is Stone. Her family are the Stone's of Stone's River fame. I cant remember off hand what her name is. She had a Spanish last name.
Theresa Salvatore. I guess that could be Italian. I still have my old 2022 medical card and she is on it. Anyway, apparently they still own a huge swath of land out there.
Cheers!

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