Post-War Confederate Military: Organization

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I wish to look at how the Confederate Army would be organized following the war (Assuming that McClellan wins the '64 election due to Union repulse at Atlanta and an armistice in '65).
How many regiments would it have? How much will each state contribute to it?
I presume that a comparatively small force of Regular regiments make up the bulk of the peacetime force, whilst state troops are formed and utilized in times of war (similar to the U.S. system).
Im working on an OOB for the peacetime army; difficult is discerning how much of the Confederate Army will will remain in the service after the war. I would love discussion on the subject.
 
There was an Act forming a Regular Army of 744 offrs and 15,015 ORs organised thus:

Corps of Engineers
1 Colonel
4 Majors
5 Captains
Engineer coy of 1 Capt (from above), 10 Sgts, 10 Cpls, 2 Musicians and 39 Ptes (Lts to be appointed from line Regts)
- Second Coy added by Act of 17th May 1861

Corps of Artillery
1 Col
1 Lt Col
10 Majs
40 Coys of Arty each with 1 Capt, 2 1 Lts, 1 2Lt, 4 Sgts, 4 Cpls, 2 Mus and 70 Ptes, each to have 4 guns in peace and 6 in war

Six (6) Infantry Regiments
each:
1 Col
1 Lt Col
1 Maj
10 Coys each of 1 Capt, 1 1Lt, 2 2Lts, 4 Sgts, 4 Cpls, 2 Mus and 90 Ptes
(plus a Zouave regiment added 16th May 1861)

One (1) Cavalry Regiment
1 Col
1 Lt Col
1 Maj
10 coys each of 1 Capt, 1 1Lt, 2 2Lt, 4 Sgts, 4 Cpls, 1 Farrier, 1 Blacksmith, 2 Mus and 60 Ptes

Staff of the Line
4 Brigadier Generals

Staff Departments
the normal Adjutant-General etc.

I don't know all the Colonels etc., but I know appointments to all the senior ranks were made. For example, Van Dorn was appointed Colonel of the 2nd CS Infantry on 16th March 1861, even though that regiment never formed. Magruder and Loring were also regimental Colonels.

The 4 Brigadier-Generals were Sam Cooper, RE Lee, JE Johnston and Beauregard in that order. During the confirmation process the law was changed and all were made "Generals" to clarify that they outranked Militia Major-Generals

Is there a Confederate Army list? I know all the regiments, although never formed, had their full complement of officers assigned.
 
I have always wondered if the regular Confederate units would be part of a pre-war army. Both the units listed as Confederate but also the regular state units, like the 1st Georgia regulars.
 
I have always wondered if the regular Confederate units would be part of a pre-war army. Both the units listed as Confederate but also the regular state units, like the 1st Georgia regulars.
The 1st Georgia Regulars were a duration unit. They'd just be demobilized after the war.
 
There was an Act forming a Regular Army of 744 offrs and 15,015 ORs organised thus:

Corps of Engineers
1 Colonel
4 Majors
5 Captains
Engineer coy of 1 Capt (from above), 10 Sgts, 10 Cpls, 2 Musicians and 39 Ptes (Lts to be appointed from line Regts)
- Second Coy added by Act of 17th May 1861

Corps of Artillery
1 Col
1 Lt Col
10 Majs
40 Coys of Arty each with 1 Capt, 2 1 Lts, 1 2Lt, 4 Sgts, 4 Cpls, 2 Mus and 70 Ptes, each to have 4 guns in peace and 6 in war

Six (6) Infantry Regiments
each:
1 Col
1 Lt Col
1 Maj
10 Coys each of 1 Capt, 1 1Lt, 2 2Lts, 4 Sgts, 4 Cpls, 2 Mus and 90 Ptes
(plus a Zouave regiment added 16th May 1861)

One (1) Cavalry Regiment
1 Col
1 Lt Col
1 Maj
10 coys each of 1 Capt, 1 1Lt, 2 2Lt, 4 Sgts, 4 Cpls, 1 Farrier, 1 Blacksmith, 2 Mus and 60 Ptes

Staff of the Line
4 Brigadier Generals

Staff Departments
the normal Adjutant-General etc.

I don't know all the Colonels etc., but I know appointments to all the senior ranks were made. For example, Van Dorn was appointed Colonel of the 2nd CS Infantry on 16th March 1861, even though that regiment never formed. Magruder and Loring were also regimental Colonels.

The 4 Brigadier-Generals were Sam Cooper, RE Lee, JE Johnston and Beauregard in that order. During the confirmation process the law was changed and all were made "Generals" to clarify that they outranked Militia Major-Generals

Is there a Confederate Army list? I know all the regiments, although never formed, had their full complement of officers assigned.
So, lets see:
on paper
1 infantry regiment would be 1,043
1 cavalry regiment would be 763
1 Artillery company would be 84
1 Engineer Company would be 62
Total Infantry (Including Zouave Regiment): 7301
Total Cavalry: 763
Total Corps of Artillery: 3372
Total Corps of Engineers: 132

This was the beginning of the war, right? The cavalry numbers seem rather poultry, considering their importance later on. This would not have been a sufficient regular force. Would definitely be larger after the war when they would form these units for real, or they'd rely on state units more.
 
Also, I doubt they'd have a Zouave regiment after the horrific casualties such unites suffered in the 62 campaigns, when they became easy targets for newer rifled muskets being issued to troops at the time.
Maybe the confederacy would keep a specially designated infantry regiment/battalion for prestigious purposes, as the old zouave units had. I'm not sure what that'd unit would entail: whether it'd be a a Guard or Grenadier regiment; or something special along the lines of the French Foreign Legion. Given the lack of large scale immigration to the south compared with their northern former Brethren, I doubt the latter. I'm willing to go with the Grenadier Regiment; wasn't too aristocratic a title as a Guard Regiment, or as gaudy as a Zouave regiment.
 
A better way to frame this question:
How many men did the Confederates have fit for service in mid 1864?
And by what percentage of that amount would remain in gray, if the war was won?
 
And, what was the comparative organization of Union regular units at the end of the war? Given the lessens learn during the war, the unit organization listed by Tigers would be revised heavily.
 
The regular Confederate States Army was structurized and many officers held a commission in the ACSA in addition to their PACS commission (lists are available). While the units weren`t formed, the war-time regiments with the designation CSA weren´t regular ones, and the ACSA lists most likely not being consiquently updated over the course of the war, it would be the form to fall back on once everything is over. Means a portion of the many many volunteer units (yes, including conscription) would be kept in service (or quickly reenlist for shorter terms) as they were needed to staff the new border, keep up peace in occupied or highly troublesome regions and of course continue service in the west against the Natives. Meeanwhile the regular regiments, most likely an increased number insetad of the original, would be formed, with hopefully many veterans enlisting in those and maybe the fear against foreign enlistment would end as they could be needed to form a major portion of the army (just like before). And of course the officer corps would need to be completely rearranged due to services, promotions and losses during the war. So in many aspects just like the Union/U.S. Army who first kept many volunteer units while rearranging and recommissioning personnel and expanding the regulars.

And again, just like in the north, the further use of colored troops would be something to be thought about. And eventual territorial changes would of course have an influence on the overall numbers of the army.
 
Total Infantry (Including Zouave Regiment): 7301
Total Cavalry: 763
Total Corps of Artillery: 3372
Total Corps of Engineers: 132

This was the beginning of the war, right? The cavalry numbers seem rather poultry, considering their importance later on. This would not have been a sufficient regular force.


Compare with the 1850s US Army regulars. As of December 1854, it was 10,745 officers and men out of an establishment of about 15,000.

Yes, this conjectured CS Army is small (at about 11,500), but relative to population it's at least three times larger than the US Army of a comparable time period (i.e. peacetime regular force for Indian fighting). As the CSA had little else to base their comparisons on that's what they went for.

OTOH if they went with a European size of peacetime force then even imitating comparatively unmilitarized Britain would result in a force of about 1 man in 133 in the regular armed forces; that would be a regular Confederate army of over 60,000.
 
Guys

Presumably one issue would be the potential threat they faced post-war, as well as the condition of the south at the end of the war. While their not going to be able to match a highly militarised north man for man they would presumably relate their desired - if not practical - military to the perceived threat. As such if the union is mantaining say a peacetime army of say 60-80k, which admittedly would be expensive for it but well within its capacity if it has the will, then even with strong border fortifications on key points the south would probably want at least say 25-30k of troops but may not be willing/able to maintain much more. This is especially if the war has been long and bloody.

Steve
 
south would probably want at least say 25-30k of troops but may not be willing/able to maintain much more.
Not willing is possible, not able is I think not feasible. 20K troops was achievable by Belgium in 1870, and in 1864 the Danish army was:

The whole was composed of a staff of 23 officers; a corps of engineers of 32; an artillery corps of 3202 men, divided into 22 companies; 6126 cavalry, divided into ten regiments, one of which was a regiment of guards; 13,412 infantry, divided into thirteen regiments of two battalions each, one of which is also a regiment of guards; 2753 chasseurs, divided into five battalions of four companies each; and, lastly, a rocket corps, amounting to 156 men.

(That's the regulars, not the reserves, and comes to about 26,000 men.)

Given the Danish population at the time was less than 2 million, it seems quite plausible for the CSA to have a peacetime force size in excess of 30,000 men if they want it. The desire is the problem, not the capability.
 
The issue of "If they want it" is moot. They would have been fearful of another war with the North, and given their border in the east exposed (by 1864, negotiating for Kentucky and Missouri would have been downright impossible). They would have a large peacetime army by necessity.

Given the arguments ive seen above, and keeping to the unit sizes spelled out before, I'd say the regular Confederate Army would be about a middling 40K. The state troops would make up a good remainder of a trained peacetime cadre.
Increasing the 6 regular infantry regiments to, say, 24 would equal 25032
Increasing the Cavalry regiment to 8 would equal 6104
Doubling the number of Artillery companies from 40 to 80 would equal 6720 with 480 guns (multiplying by 6)
5 companies of Engineers would equal 310
Plus the special infantry regiment of 1043 men, not including excess officers and supply units, would be 39209.
 
And, what was the comparative organization of Union regular units at the end of the war? Given the lessens learn during the war, the unit organization listed by Tigers would be revised heavily.

Here's a recent thread about the Union army postwar. As usual much good information was provided by @67th Tigers:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/th...3-000-at-the-end-of-1868.151389/#post-1923347

A peacetime army might contain a higher proportion of cavalry and artillery, since those took longer to train. Infantry could more easily be supplemented by volunteers or militia when needed.
 
A digression on cost.

So, cost wise, it's more efficient to have a large army than a small one.

There's two kinds of cost - ongoing cost and capital cost.

Firstly, you have to ask whether this army is intended to fight wars by itself (as the prewar US Regulars pretty much were, possibly accompanied with some hastily raised volunteers to bulk out the force) or to serve as the nucleus of a larger army.
With the size of the ACW the latter seems obvious.

This means that either way you need the capital outlays associated with a large army - you can expect to be blockaded on the commencement of war, so you need the weapons in-hand as much as possible. So if your "mobilization strength" is 300K then it doesn't matter if your peacetime army is 50K or 5K - you need the weapons for at least a large fraction of 300K. Fortunately you'll probably have them at least until the 1870s, as Marsh/Snider/Tatabiere conversions for your rifle-musket buys are all a thing, but after that you'd better plan on making replacements (even if piecemeal).

So a small army doesn't save on small arms here.

Artillery, much the same situation with the problem that here you do need to buy modern - but this is the CSA and it's Tregedar who will be producing most of it, so a certain amount of buying will take place anyway because of the good old principle of pork.
This might mean CS Army peacetime arty formations actually do act as arty. They might well consist of 20 men and 30 *insert 1870s slang for black fellow* per gun, which would be a way to conserve on white manpower (and pay) somewhat without needing to arm any substantial numbers of black people. (Having this transition take place on mobilization would allow you to bulk out a peacetime establishment by a factor of 2 to 2.5 - which is useful.)

Cavalry they might skimp on a bit, cavalry militia is an almost inevitable result of the Confederate social structure (got to hunt down the escaped slaves) and historically "the dam-ned Virginia horsemen" scared the bejeezus out of the Union even before they'd done anything to earn a reputation - might be considered that they just need some scouts and let the mobilization on the event of war bulk it out to a useful scale.

A lot of the admin stuff (on the American scale of doing things) is sparse enough you don't save a huge amount by going for 20K instead of 50K (using those as baseline numbers). The Danish example above has only a couple of dozen men on the staff for example.

Engineers, well, the CSA will have more engineers than they need for strict war work because of the Mississippi. (A levee en masse, aha.) Again you don't save much by going small.

So what this means is that all the procurement is effectively a set cost. What's not a set cost is functionally troop salary.

Article on pay:

https://www.civilwarhome.com/Pay.html

Using the prewar values (where not provided multiplying Union officer pay by 0.92) and assuming a regimental structure as per 67th's post, an inf regiment would cost:


1 Col $195
1 Lt Col $166
1 Maj $155
10 Coys each of
1 Capt, $106
1 1Lt, $97
2 2Lts, $194
4 Sgts, $71
4 Cpls, $52
2 Mus $22
and 90 Ptes $990
Company total $1510
Regiment total about $16000/month

So a yearly budget increase of $1M would amount to about an extra five infantry regiments. This is where the budget can be adjusted up or down.
Given the value of cotton exports (cotton exports in the antebellum being about $250M per year discounting what would now be export to the North but which was internal trade then) a few basis points on the export tarrif pays for an extra regiment of infantry. (A basis point is 1/100 of a percent.)

This would tend to mean that the army size question would be a matter of "what do we want" not "what can we pay for" - the marginal increase in the tax/tarrif burden for supporting an extra regiment is minimal.


Just don't find yourself stuck with an army of 30K troops with modern weapons in 1898 and a vast stockpile of old single shot breechloading rifles (and militia with smoothbore artillery) - Spain wasn't able to invade the US so it didn't matter but the Union will certainly be able to invade the South if you mess up like that!


Given the historical pattern of the second half of the 19th century, though, an important question is going to be how the South handles mobilization of reserves. Will they do conscription to impart basic skills like a continental European power, handle it with well-subscribed militia and volunteer associations like Britain, or "basically not bother" and rely on post-mobilization training from green recruits like the historical US?
 
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Given the historical pattern of the second half of the 19th century, though, an important question is going to be how the South handles mobilization of reserves. Will they do conscription to impart basic skills like a continental European power, handle it with well-subscribed militia and volunteer associations like Britain, or "basically not bother" and rely on post-mobilization training from green recruits like the historical US?
Given the US' mobilization policy stemmed from lack of large enough threats to its borders to warrant the need for quick mobilization, the presence of the CSA would shift that policy both north and south to the more European model.
 
Also, Im assuming a second war will break out most likely in the 1880's; basing off of other scenarios, by that point the CSA would enact manumission or emancipation in order to gain allies like Britain and France, but keeping blacks in the field using methods like sharecropping.
Not sure whether or not theyd form black regiments.
 

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