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This image from a tintype is said to show a private in D Company of the 44th Ohio Infantry Vols/8th Ohio Cavalry Vols who served as a musician. I'm curious as to what he is holding and what the emblems on the object represent. Any help much appreciated.
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This image from a tintype is said to show a private in D Company of the 44th Ohio Infantry Vols/8th Ohio Cavalry Vols who served as a musician. I'm curious as to what he is holding and what the emblems on the object represent. Any help much appreciated.
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Two men mustered as Musicians into Company D :

D C. Lawrence : 20 years old, enlisted and mustered on 9/5/1861 as a Musician, into "D" Co. OH 44th Infantry. He was Mustered Out on 10/8/1862 at Covington, KY; Transferred from Company D to Band on that date.

John W. R. Cline : 20 years old, enlisted on 9/5/1861 as a Musician. On 9/18/1861 he mustered into "D" Co. OH 44th Infantry. He was transferred out on 1/4/1864, and transferred into Company D 8th Ohio Cavalry.

Only one in Company C :

Lyman Munger : 19 years old, when he enlisted as a musician, on 9/5/1861. On 9/18/1861, he mustered into "C" Co. OH 44th Infantry. He was transferred out on 1/4/1864. On 1/4/1864 he transferred into "C" Co. OH 8th Cavalry as Chief Bugler. Private 1/28/1865 (At his own request, reduced to ranks.)He was Mustered Out on 7/30/1865 at Clarksburg, WV.

Source : Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio.
 
Agree, he's holding his hat. The crossed sabers are cavalry insignia and the "C" is his company designation. That big red square is some kind of damage or distortion. What's interesting to me is that he's not holding his instrument, which was probably a bugle.
 
This image from a tintype is said to show a private in D Company of the 44th Ohio Infantry Vols/8th Ohio Cavalry Vols who served as a musician. I'm curious as to what he is holding and what the emblems on the object represent. Any help much appreciated.
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He's holding his hat. The insignia are crossed sabers, indicating Cavalry. the "C" is for his unit, Company C.
 
The band served with the regiment (44th Ohio Volunteer Infantry) through the campaigns of 1861 and 1862, in Kanawha Valley and beyond, until their discharge Oct. 20, 1862, under the new law of Congress abolishing regimental bands as paid auxiliaries of the service. An attempt was made but failed to form a brigade band of seventeen from the old band of twenty-five. In January, 1863, the officers of the regiment raised a fund of $1,000 for purchase of instruments, and deputed Capt. Tulleys a committee to purchase same and secure a teacher. His choice of leader fell upon Andrew Watt, of the old band, who, on the 17th of February, 1863, undertook, at Frankfort, Ky., the formation of a band detailed from the ranks. From a band of twelve (nine horns) the organization grew to sixteen (thirteen horns) before the return to Springfield, in January, 1864, on veteran furlough; at Camp Dennison three more were added, and thenceforward, as the

BAND OF THE EIGHTH O.V.C. (8th Ohio Cavalry)

The organizaton numbered nineteen all told, as follows:

Andrew Watt, leader (listed as F&S; Co not listed); John Casad (carded records not located), Lyman Munger (Co C), Philip Harper (Co L), H.H.(Harvey H) Birely (Co G), Daniel Genier (Co H), Eli M. Long (Co I), Joseph McLellan (Co K), James (R.) Littler (Co F), Harman (H.) Deam (Co I), James T. Flack (Co D), Joshua C. Kooken (Co H), Timothy Munger (Co C), Arthur M. Nelson (Co L), Joseph Wilcox (Co E), John F. Owens (filed as John F Owen, Co F), John W. Booth (record for Svc in 8th Ohio Cav. but Co not listed), J.W.R. Cline (Co D), William H. Porter (Co F), John Iliff (Co A).

At Knoxville, in 1863, the band was specially honored by Gen. Burnside. Reenlisting, and serving on horseback, the band had some singular and unusual experiences, as being detailed by Gen. Wallace to guard a bridge, on the road from Frederick City, Md., to Baltimore, during the panic following Gen. Early's entrance into that section (followed by the battle of Monocacy); a two months' experience as Post band at Relay House, Md., while separated from their command, and a lively series of trips during the fall of 1864, and with Gen. Averill's cavalry division (Sheridan's army), in the Shenandoah Valley, and also having the honor of furnishing the only music for Gen. Sheridan's masterly and historically famous repulse of Early at Cedar Creek, October 19, 1864, after Early had nearly routed the Union forces, before the well-known "Sheridan's Ride" occurred, when the tide was turned in favor of the Union army. The men served — as enlisted — until the close of the war, July, 1865, each man being allowed to retain the instrument he played. http://clarkoh.ancestralsites.com/military/ex-soldiers-h.php
 
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Lyman Munger (22 August 1842 - 5 April 1825)
Lyman Munford gravestone.jpg

https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=45514578

Timothy Munger
(17 February 1828 - 5 October 1911)
Munger Timothy.JPG

When asked of his military service he described his experience as follows: I was in the Civil War from Sept. 5, 1861 to June 1, 1865. My brother Lyman and myself were in the same regt., 44th Ohio Vol. Infy., Co. 'C', organized at Springfield, Oh.; veteranized at Strawberry Plains after the siege of Knoxville, on that cold New Year's of 1864, as the 8th Ohio Vol. Cav'ly. Served with Sheridan all through Shenandoah campaign, I was finally captured while on out-post duty Jan 11, 1865, and was in Libby until they had to turn us over to our forces. (From The Munger Book, JB Munger, 1914). Photo snipped from: https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=74366667&PIpi=98931348

The uncle of these two men - Ruben Munger (30 October 1794 - 27 March 1890)
Uncle Ruben Munger.JPG

https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=114314882
 
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I so appreciate all the replies.

However, they add to a mystery: the tintype is said to picture my great uncle Thomas Vincent Iliff, who served as a Musician in Company D of the 44th OVI/8th OVC.

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He is described and pictured later in life here:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/15...ison-supplies-at-beverly.108186/#post-1775993

The prominent cheekbones of the gentleman in the later photo is quite distinctive of the Iliff family, and the fellow in the tintype seems to share that feature. Thomas Vincent Iliff was among those captured at Beverly, (West) Virginia, in January 1865 and sent to Libby Prison in Richmond. He, and probably others, was forced to march through the cold rivers and streams on the way. He lost all his teeth as a result, it was said, of this treatment. Not having teeth could explain the shorter chin shown in the later picture, as compared to the earlier tintype.

Thomas Vincent Iliff had a brother, my great uncle John Wesley Iliff, who was also a musician in the 44th OVI/8th OVC, he in Company A, and no doubt the John Iliff named in the amazingly researched post by lelliott19, above.

P. S. The red rectangle appears to me as a reflection, perhaps of a smartphone used to take the photo of the tintype. Also, is that a portion of the brass guard and wrapped grip of a cavalry saber mostly hidden by the hat?
 
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