Pedersoli 1853 enfield

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So I just purchased a pedersoli 1853 enfield from dixie gun works. I got it last week and had to wait for the weekend to get it degreased. I cleaned everything and pulled the nipple off and looked into the flash channel and it's a 90° turn WTF. I have a pedersoli 1861 and i have issues blank firing for reenacting (sometimes) yes I have a reeanactor nipple. Anyways I know back in 2017 pedersoli tried to put the 90° flash turn and put the clean out screw in the enfield. I know they got alot of black lash and pedersoli changed it back like the same month. Well they didn't change it back, they just deleted the clean out screw. You can even see where it's threaded for the clean out screw. I wanted this to reeanact w hoping it would be more reliable for blank firing but I geuss I'm gonna have the same issues w this. The nipple thread is also different idn why they did that. All in all I'm abit ****** these guns are not cheap if there gonna change the original design I think they should tell us.
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If you clean the bore of the weapon after each use, and get and use a bore scraper, I bet you wouldn't have as many as these problems. I do recall firing blanks is more problematic as far as misfires go than shooting live rounds.
I do clean my guns very well I tear the hole thing down and use a bucket and submerge the vent hole and suck water up and force the water out of the barrel and flash channel. To be clear I never had any issues with my 1861 live firing shot a few hundred rounds. My main point is there doing shaddy stuff by not drilling the flash channel right and when they got caught they said they changed it and they didn't they just deleted the clean out screw.
 
And I'm reminded of why I'm thrilled with, and keep in near like new condition, my Euroarms P1853.

Best I can suggest is tilt the rifle to right before firing with blanks. I know I have to do that first couple shots with my Chiappa M1855, after putting a reenactor cone on it.

Pedersoli make some of the finest looking mass-produced arms, but on quality and design they can be a real jerk. My Pedersoli "Confederate Sharps" as they call it, is a real beauty to behold, but on actual shooting its a pain and half. Dead on target accurate and all, but it gunks up so bad after the third shot its time to disassemble it and put it aside for cleaning or it won't get disassembled. No matter what I try to help seal the breech from the breechblock I still can't ,manage no more than five rounds at most. With an old inaccurate in shooting and looks IAB Sharps carbine I used to have, I'd get up to forty rounds before it froze up.

If a cottage-like industry outfit like IAB could do that, and Euroarms build dependable weapons at decent price as well as Chiappa, Pedersoli can as well but they refuse to do so from where I sit. As long as they can have the gun look top notch and so on, they'll cheap out in every possible way and still charge a ridiculous price.
 
I do clean my guns very well I tear the hole thing down and use a bucket and submerge the vent hole and suck water up and force the water out of the barrel and flash channel. To be clear I never had any issues with my 1861 live firing shot a few hundred rounds. My main point is there doing shaddy stuff by not drilling the flash channel right and when they got caught they said they changed it and they didn't they just deleted the clean out screw.

I can't help you with what Pedersoli did, but instead of tearing the whole thing down, get some silicone tubing and a spare nipple to clean the gun. Drill the nipple hole out to a larger diameter so you can flow more water and stick one end of the tubing on to the nipple, and the other end goes into a bucket, then -slowly- pump to your heart's content with your cleaning rod. You may find some baked-on carbon at the base of the nipple where it enters the flash channel when you install your bored out "cleaning nipple". And buy a bore scraper and use it to scrape the face of the breach plug after you've flushed out your barrel. That carbon on the breach face can be awfully hard and you flushing action will soften it and make it much easier to remove. After you've finished with the scraping do a few more flushes and you've got a very clean bore and you don't have to re-assemble your musket.

I've been doing this for years with my percussion and flintlocks rifles and it works very well, but do the cleaning rod pumping action, at least when you pull the rod up the barrel, s-l-o-w-l-y or you can have a nasty mess.
 
So I just purchased a pedersoli 1853 enfield from dixie gun works. I got it last week and had to wait for the weekend to get it degreased. I cleaned everything and pulled the nipple off and looked into the flash channel and it's a 90° turn WTF. I have a pedersoli 1861 and i have issues blank firing for reenacting (sometimes) yes I have a reeanactor nipple. Anyways I know back in 2017 pedersoli tried to put the 90° flash turn and put the clean out screw in the enfield. I know they got alot of black lash and pedersoli changed it back like the same month. Well they didn't change it back, they just deleted the clean out screw. You can even see where it's threaded for the clean out screw. I wanted this to reeanact w hoping it would be more reliable for blank firing but I geuss I'm gonna have the same issues w this. The nipple thread is also different idn why they did that. All in all I'm abit ****** these guns are not cheap if there gonna change the original design I think they should tell us. View attachment 437190
I was just looking at your picture of your flash channel again. It looks like there's some threading in that channel and it has a whitish look to it. What is that?
 
I was just looking at your picture of your flash channel again. It looks like there's some threading in that channel and it has a whitish look to it. What is that?
That's a good idea do u have any idea what size tubing and where to get some? I know track of the wolf sells cleaning nipples w a o-ring I geuss for this very purpose. Yea I think the white stuff is either ballistol or left over grease I have no fired the enfield yet.
 
That's a good idea do u have any idea what size tubing and where to get some? I know track of the wolf sells cleaning nipples w a o-ring I geuss for this very purpose. Yea I think the white stuff is either ballistol or left over grease I have no fired the enfield yet.
I think I got my cleaning kit for my flintlock from Tract of the Wolf because to clean a flintlock it take a vice-like contraption to hold the rube up against the lock plate. I simply take the hose off of it and insert it on the nipple for my percussion rifles. But if all you have is a percussion rifle, then I don't know why a surgical tube wouldn't work, as long as it has a tight enough fit on the nipple. I do know the TotW sell bore scrappers- I have one for all of my black powder calibers. You just have to figure out the thread pitch on your cleaning rod; it should be either a 8/32 or 10/32 pitch.
 
I think the cone threads on the Pedersoli are 8 x 1mm, like the Euroarms were originally. Pedersoli bought the Euroarms tooling when they went out of business. I would replace the factory cone with a stainless steel cone from Regqtm that has a larger vent. Mine is enlarged to 1/16" I believe. The factory cone has a very tiny pin prick sized vent which they did to prevent blowback when live firing. The factory cone is so hard you will break off titanium drill bits trying to enlarge it even slightly. So that's number one. Change out the nipple/percussion cone.

Secondly, are you sure the flash channel is drilled through into the bore of the barrel? It is rare, but I have seen instances where the flash channel is not drilled all the way through into the bore on reproductions. I have also encountered reproduction barrels where the flash channel is drilled too far back and doesn't line up with the vent of the percussion cone which I think you are describing. Can you bend a pipe cleaner and run it through the flash channel and into the barrel? If so, and you have a replacement percussion cone with a reasonably sized vent, you should be able to get the spark from the percussion cap to the black powder charge and ignite it.

My own Pedersoli Enfield is the very first prototype they made, which was given to me by Pedersoli as compensation for assisting with the design feature improvements when they introduced their new P53 model many years ago. Such things as the correct size .577 barrel, larger hammer, TOWER marked lock, BSAT stock roundel, Birmingham barrel proof marks, correct sling swivels, Palmer barrel bands, etc. Let me add though, not the part about the clean-out screw which they came up with on their own some years later as a solution to reported fouling problems. I advised Pedersoli at the time that the problem was the pin prick sized vent on their factory percussion cone, and that the farby clean-out screw was not what they needed to do to address the clogging issue that was being reported. It was the tiny vent in the percussion cone that was clogging, not the flash channel. I told them the first thing I did upon inspecting the prototype was change the cone out. And mine has never clogged or misfired.

Speaking of the flash channel, on my Pedersoli P53 the flash channel into the barrel is clearly visible when you remove the percussion cone and look into the cone seat as shown in your photograph. I can more or less go straight down at a slight angle with a tooth pick or pipe cleaner and clear the debris during the cleaning process. The same flash channel position (as on mine) is not visible in the photo shown of yours, although there is a bit of a shadow in your photo about where it should be located. If you have a flash channel that has been drilled all the way into the bore of the barrel, perhaps just changing out the percussion cone to a quality steel replacement with a larger vent will be all you need to do for reliable ignition.
 
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Mine (pedersoli P53) has this condition as well. I use mine for shooting and have never had an issue over the course of many many shots. I have also just ignited powder a few times (blank fire) and have not had a misfire.
 

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