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Discussion in 'Civil War History - Secession and Politics' started by jgoodguy, Oct 19, 2016.

  1. Andersonh1

    Andersonh1 2nd Lieutenant

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    Yeah, looking back I was commenting on that third quote in the initial post, and I must have assumed it was another McPherson quote, so I don't think it's you missing something!
     

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  3. CSA Today

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    Facts and evidence determined by whom, McPherson and his fellow travelers?
     
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  4. ivanj05

    ivanj05 First Sergeant

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    More empty rhetoric. If you have a specific issue with something an author has written, then point that thing out and offer evidence of your own to refute it, if you have it.
     
  5. unionblue

    unionblue Brev. Brig. Gen'l Member of the Year

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    Questions are not answers.

    But they can look like evasions.
     
  6. Youngblood

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    T.O.Vers like to try to spin the Fugitive Slave Act as somehow against states rights. Mcphersons long winded way of saving the south didnt really care about states rights.
    Not only is it perfectly constitutional but it could be considered a protection of states rights itself.
    State A has a fugitive escape its borders to state B. State A gets to bring that fugitive back. That is state A's right in accordance with its laws and the constitution. State B doesnt get to harbor fugitives from other states.
     
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    unionblue Brev. Brig. Gen'l Member of the Year

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    So, a state that has personal liberty laws and doesn't recognize the right of transit in slaves, has no state rights because one desperately wants it's slaves back?

    Hmmm...

    Unionblue
     
  8. Youngblood

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    Slaves were basically prison inmates. Granted they had not commited a crime.
    If an inmate escapes to another state, even today, and the new state doesnt have the same laws, the original state still gets to bring them back.
     
  9. rpkennedy

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    But the state has to prove that that is their prisoner. The FSL allowed someone to claim that a person was their runaway slave, the possible slave could not defend themselves in court, and the judge was paid more if he found that that person was indeed the missing slave. The personal liberty laws were some states' attempts to level the playing field for these people.

    In reality, the South embraced states' rights when that position protected slavery and rejected them when it did not.

    Ryan
     
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    1860s apples, 2017 lowland gorillias.

    EXACTLY Ryan.
     
  11. jgoodguy

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    The greatest attempt at nullification since Calhoun prior to secession was in Wisconsin.

    Ableman v. Booth
     
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    Question someone so vague as to offer no better response than “Empty invective, offered because you cannot refute the point made with facts and evidence? If anyone is evasion it is the other poster avoiding answering the question.
     
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    jgoodguy Brigadier General Moderator Forum Host

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    As host, I expect no bickering about providing that stuff the Northern advocates call evidence.

    In honor of the Southern Secessionists of 1860, I determine the offence, the solution and the execution of the solution.

    Also I see modern politics and deletion when I see leftist, fellow traveler and the like especially in an evasion. You may not like this and complain about bias and so on, but like the cowboy said it is the game in town.



     
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    jgoodguy Brigadier General Moderator Forum Host

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    I agree with that.
     
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    So did the Yankees. Isn't that how Politics Works? Yankees also Praised the parts of the Constitution they liked and denounced parts it didn't. Also,just like all Politicians do. Nothing new.
     
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    Except that States rights were the political road map for secession and claimed as a good thing by the Lost Causers.
     
  17. Lost Cause

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    Certainly like modern times.
     
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  18. unionblue

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    Another question + no reply.
     
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    True enough, but, it does not follow that disagreement with the Constitution and its laws, is a license to overthrow the Constitution or disobey its laws.

    Northern opposition was channeled through the Constitution and laws, for redress, not unilateral separation. from that same Constitution or laws.
     
  20. Lost Cause

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    Did John Brown and others use the constitution and laws?
     
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    Are you arguing that John Brown represents mainline Northern thinking and attitudes in the years just prior to the Civil War?
     

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