Need some help sorting out some items

[east_beast]

I want to provide some info to help with identification but not enough that it might cloud judgments because that's kinda where I find myself right now. I can provide more details but I'd rather start intentionally vague to see what y'all think without more details first. Hopefully that makes sense because based solely on assignments and rank, I think one thing. Based on other details I can share later, I think another thing.

These items were found in an old taped together wooden crate long forgotten. Based on the letters, envelopes, etc. contained within the crate these items almost certainly belonged to one of three brothers who served in the Civil War. I can provide more details on the individuals later, but let's just start with unit and rank. I'm trying to figure out, if possible exactly which of the brothers these items originated from knowing that it's quite possible that they didn't all come from just one brother

Brother 1: Captain, 49th NC Regiment, Aide-de-Camp for Major General

Brother 2: 1st Lieutenant, 49th NC Regiment, envelopes specifically addressed to "Ransom's Brigade"

Brother 3: Private, 65th NC Regiment, 6th Cavalry

Now the items...

Belt:

Haversack:

Cartridge box 1:

Cartridge box 2:

.58 caliber conical bullet mold:

M1858 bullseye canteen with cover:

Just curious to get thoughts on the items and opinions of which brother they most likely originated from.

Thanks!

 

[UCVRelics]

Nice group of items. The bullet mold, saddle bags and canteen could go either way infantry (officer) or cav. But the carbine and pistol box along with the 2 piece CS I would lean toward Brother 3: Private, 65th NC Regiment, 6th Cavalry.

 

[Package4]

I want to provide some info to help with identification but not enough that it might cloud judgments because that's kinda where I find myself right now. I can provide more details but I'd rather start intentionally vague to see what y'all think without more details first. Hopefully that makes sense because based solely on assignments and rank, I think one thing. Based on other details I can share later, I think another thing.

These items were found in an old taped together wooden crate long forgotten. Based on the letters, envelopes, etc. contained within the crate these items almost certainly belonged to one of three brothers who served in the Civil War. I can provide more details on the individuals later, but let's just start with unit and rank. I'm trying to figure out, if possible exactly which of the brothers these items originated from knowing that it's quite possible that they didn't all come from just one brother

Brother 1: Captain, 49th NC Regiment, Aide-de-Camp for Major General

Brother 2: 1st Lieutenant, 49th NC Regiment, envelopes specifically addressed to "Ransom's Brigade"

Brother 3: Private, 65th NC Regiment, 6th Cavalry

Now the items...

Belt:

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Haversack:

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Cartridge box 1:

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Cartridge box 2:

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.58 caliber conical bullet mold:

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M1858 bullseye canteen with cover:

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Just curious to get thoughts on the items and opinions of which brother they most likely originated from.

Thanks!

The only thing that one could semi safely guess would be the Gaylord Cartridge Box would most likely be from the cav trooper.

The sword belt could have been the property of either of the officers as would the haversack, while the canteen could be all three. Are there any markings on the gang mold?

Also, please provide side and rear shots of the cartridge box with three tiers.

Very exciting find.

 

[east_beast]

Nice group of items. The bullet mold, saddle bags and canteen could go either way infantry (officer) or cav. But the carbine and pistol box along with the 2 piece CS I would lean toward Brother 3: Private, 65th NC Regiment, 6th Cavalry.

Those were my initial thoughts too, specifically regarding the belt. I'll share more info about the brothers that makes me potentially doubt this here in a bit.

 

[east_beast]

The only thing that one could semi safely guess would be the Gaylord Cartridge Box would most likely be from the cav trooper.

The sword belt could have been the property of either of the officers as would the haversack, while the canteen could be all three. Are there any markings on the gang mold?

Also, please provide side and rear shots of the cartridge box with three tiers.

Very exciting find.

Interesting about the Gaylord box.

Getting groceries right now but when I get back home I can just take a short video of the box from all angles if that would help.

Edited to add: no, unfortunately no identifying markings that I can find on any of the items that I've pictured. There is a mess kit that I'll add that has markings indicating they likely belonged to brother 2 if they are Civil War era. I'm just uncertain they're of Civil War era. I'll also add another cartridge box that I think is from a later era. Likely belonging to the son of one of the brothers who served in the Spanish American War. The documents in the crate indicate it likely originated from the mother of the brothers though there are items dating back to the Revolutionary period including some Revolutionary era currency.

 

[east_beast]

Seeing that y'all are basically confirming my initial thoughts as to the likely origins of these items I'll just go ahead and share some additional info that makes me doubt that and see what y'all think...

Brother 1: Survived the war. Wounded at Bermuda Hundred and again specifically on October 30th, 1864. I'm assuming at Petersburg. Direct ancestor of the person who gave me these items.

Brother 2: Mortally wounded at Petersburg on June 18th, 1864. Passed one month later on July 18th.

Brother 3: KIA at Chickamauga when his unit was seemingly overrun and virtually wiped out. This is an account of his unit's experience in the battle:

This makes me doubt that any of the items originated from brother three though I don't know if that doubt is warranted or not. It's easiest for me to believe the items all came from brother 1 since he was the lone survivor though it's not difficult for me to believe they could've come from brother 2 since he lingered for a month after being wounded and brother 1 was in his same unit. There is correspondence from brother 2 during his time of hospitalization between wounding and passing. I'm in the process of tracking it down.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[east_beast]

The ammo box that I think is likely from the Spanish American War era, though I'm fully willing to be wrong on that as I don't really know.

 

[east_beast]

The mess kit I mentioned earlier with engravings indicating that it is from brother 2 if it's from the Civil War era. I don't know.

 

[east_beast]

Since I mentioned it, I'll just go ahead and share it.

The Revolutionary era currency:

 

[east_beast]

This is the actual crate the items were found in. It was taped shut and lined with a newspaper from 1890.

 

[east_beast]

On the bottom of the canteen is a very faint engraving. More like scratching. Maybe "DT"?

Those initials make no sense but it could've easily been a captured or recovered item from battle I suppose.

 

[east_beast]

The only thing that one could semi safely guess would be the Gaylord Cartridge Box would most likely be from the cav trooper.

The sword belt could have been the property of either of the officers as would the haversack, while the canteen could be all three. Are there any markings on the gang mold?

Also, please provide side and rear shots of the cartridge box with three tiers.

Very exciting find.

Video of first cartridge box:

 

[east_beast]

Video of cartridge box 2

 

[Christian1863]

I want to provide some info to help with identification but not enough that it might cloud judgments because that's kinda where I find myself right now. I can provide more details but I'd rather start intentionally vague to see what y'all think without more details first. Hopefully that makes sense because based solely on assignments and rank, I think one thing. Based on other details I can share later, I think another thing.

These items were found in an old taped together wooden crate long forgotten. Based on the letters, envelopes, etc. contained within the crate these items almost certainly belonged to one of three brothers who served in the Civil War. I can provide more details on the individuals later, but let's just start with unit and rank. I'm trying to figure out, if possible exactly which of the brothers these items originated from knowing that it's quite possible that they didn't all come from just one brother

Brother 1: Captain, 49th NC Regiment, Aide-de-Camp for Major General

Brother 2: 1st Lieutenant, 49th NC Regiment, envelopes specifically addressed to "Ransom's Brigade"

Brother 3: Private, 65th NC Regiment, 6th Cavalry

Now the items...

Belt:

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Haversack:

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Cartridge box 1:

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Cartridge box 2:

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.58 caliber conical bullet mold:

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M1858 bullseye canteen with cover:

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Just curious to get thoughts on the items and opinions of which brother they most likely originated from.

Thanks!

Nice things you got there!

 

[Package4]

On the bottom of the canteen is a very faint engraving. More like scratching. Maybe "DT"?

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Those initials make no sense but it could've easily been a captured or recovered item from battle I suppose.

This is a Federal canteen, certainly captured or picked up off a battlefield.

 

[Package4]

The mess kit I mentioned earlier with engravings indicating that it is from brother 2 if it's from the Civil War era. I don't know.

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Civil War vintage

 

[Package4]

The ammo box that I think is likely from the Spanish American War era, though I'm fully willing to be wrong on that as I don't really know.

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This is what is known as a McKeever cartridge box for the trapdoor and of IW vintage, most likely NC NG.

 

[FrankN]

Very interesting find and thread! Quite a variety of history from that box!

Frank

 

[east_beast]

This is what is known as a McKeever cartridge box for the trapdoor and of IW vintage, most likely NC NG.

Help me out with the abbreviations. IW? Indian wars maybe? NC NG? NC National Guard maybe?

 

[east_beast]

Civil War vintage

Awesome. So definitely confirmed to brother #2.