need help with bayonet

[Arky 1]

could you please let me know what you think this could be I am not familiar with Bayonets thanks

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Your bayonet, by the length, would appear to be a British Martini. The "Broad Arrow/WD" shows Crown ownership. The "Crown/E" shows manufacture at Enfield.
J.

 

[Lanyard Puller]

Jobe nailed it on the marks, British military but, Pattern 53, Martini, etc. could be determined by the length of the blade and bore of the socket. The stamped "417" is not a Confederate mating number.

 

[UCVRelics]

I agree with both my learned colleagues

 

[JOHN42768]

WD War Department

 

[James N.]

could you please let me know what you think this could be I am not familiar with Bayonets thanks

Nobody has yet bothered to mention - in the likely case you aren't familiar with the subject as you state in your post - this is definitely NOT a Civil War bayonet, being for the regulation British Martini-Henry rifle of Zulu Wars fame (1870's) and later.

 

[JPChurch]

A friend of mine owns a pristine 1879 Martini-Henry that is very good shooter. He has the custom built black powder loads for it that cost quite a bit for each round. I was fortunate to touch it off a few times, very accurate. Made me wanna watch "Zulu" all over again

 

[James N.]

A friend of mine owns a pristine 1879 Martini-Henry that is very good shooter. He has the custom built black powder loads for it that cost quite a bit for each round. I was fortunate to touch it off a few times, very accurate. Made me wanna watch "Zulu" all over again

Or, there's always Zulu War reenacting!

 

[Arky 1]

Thanks everyone for pointing me in the correct direction I have researched it and it is a Pattern 1876 socket bayonet over all length 25, blade 21 1/2 socket 3 inch long diameter .718 with MK l 3 rivet scabbard

 

[JPChurch]

I hope I can find the pics of this 1879 Martini Henry. It is a great shooter, bore very nice, same with the action, very smooth, lifting it up and sighting it in was easy but it was a bit front heavy. Very accurate. Fantastic sights. I would imagine with a big long bayonet on it that would make it even heavier up front. I found them!!! He has a fantastic collection of vintage firearms. Last pic is of myself with his 9mm Imperial Broomhandle. Regretfully, the 1916 Stahlhelm I have on is a repro. That Mauser Broomhandle is tops, just as accurate as my Luger which is a 1913 Erfurt, the brother of my great grandma(daughter of JPChurch) brought that home after the Great War. He also brought home a French bride that was 15 years younger than him. He was a veteran of the SAW, served in Cuba during the siege of Santiago de Cuba, got sick real bad with the "fever" like so many others.

 

[James N.]

... Last pic is of myself with his 9mm Imperial Broomhandle. Regretfully, the 1916 Stahlhelm I have on is a repro. That Mauser Broomhandle is tops, just as accurate as my Luger which is a 1913 Erfurt, the brother of my great grandma(daughter of JPChurch) brought that home after the Great War. He also brought home a French bride that was 15 years younger than him. He was a veteran of the SAW, served in Cuba during the siege of Santiago de Cuba, got sick real bad with the "fever" like so many others.

Happily, I found an original at a fairly reasonable price a few years ago around the beginning of the Centennial of WWI; the G98's an original too, but a 1916-dated Spandau reworked by the Germans and sent to Spain to arm Franco's soldiers in their Civil War.

 

[JPChurch]

I have a 1915 Gew 98 made at the Danzig factory. All the serial #'s match. It even has the original cleaning rod in the front. My father gave it to me when I was in high school back in the 70's. It had the firing pin tip busted off of it to de-activate it. I asked him where he got it from and he said he paid $5 for it in a junk shop when he was in jr. high school in Wash DC late 1930's. I put a new firing pin in the bolt after he gave it to me. The bore is still great, despite lots of corrosive ammo fired through it over the years. Very accurate Mauser to this day. It's in really nice shape. Action smoothest of them all... I'd like to get and original bayonet for it, but they're getting harder to find with them being totally complete with the matching scabbard.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

The bayonet, with matching scabbard, isn't that hard to find, it just costs more than it used to!
J.

 

[Arky 1]

Wow! went from British Bayonet to talking about German rifles

 

[James N.]

Wow! went from British Bayonet to talking about German rifles

Stuff happens!

... I'd like to get and original bayonet for it, but they're getting harder to find with them being totally complete with the matching scabbard.

The bayonet, with matching scabbard, isn't that hard to find, it just costs more than it used to!
J.

I felt the same after I got mine - now I have FOUR SG "butcher blades" ( one with a sawback for pioneer troops); an earlier quill-back; and a 1917-dated Henckels.

 

[ikesdad]

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Reminds me of Arte Johnson.

 

[Mike Serpa]

Reminds me of Arte Johnson.

Verrrrry interesting...

 

[ikesdad]

Apologies.The first thing that came to my head when I saw it.

 

[Lubliner]

That bullet in post #10 of @JPChurch, 2nd pic is a ____ caliber? Ow, is an expressive feeling.
Lubliner.

 

[ikesdad]

It's a 577/450. The Brits used it in their Martinis against various native types and tried to use it against the Boers in the first Anglo Boer war.