Nathan Bedford Forest

Lieutenant Daniel Van Horn of the 6th U.S. Heavy Artillery (Colored) stated in his official report.
Are you saying that this black man is lying? If so,
What are your sources? And I don't want any cherry picking……🍒🍒
If you don't want cherry picking, then consider all the sources. Not just the ones you agree with.

So was there a Sherman inquiry or did you make it up?
 
General W T Sherman did not participate in the Congressional Investigation of Fort Pillow or the later Congressional Investigation of the KKK. His brother, Senator John Sherman was on the second committee. Four days after the battle, General Sherman was charged by Secretary of War Stanton to conduct a military investigation of Fort Pillow. He delegated the task to General Brayman who collected affidavits from wounded soldiers from the battle in who had been transported to Cairo. However, he was happy to turn over the task to the Joint Subcommittee on the Conduct of the War when Ben Wade showed up.

So the supposed Sherman quote : ""We are here to investigate Forrest, charge Forrest, try Forrest, convict Forrest, and hang Forrest."" is fake. However Sherman did write this in his memoirs:

The massacre at Fort Pillow occurred April 12, 1864, and has been the subject of congressional inquiry. No doubt Forrest's men acted like a set of barbarians, shooting down the helpless negro garrison after the fort was in their possession; but I am told that Forrest personally disclaims any active participation in the assault, and that he stopped the firing as soon as he could. I also take it for granted that Forrest did not lead the assault in person, and consequently that he was to the rear, out of sight if not of hearing at the time, and I was told by hundreds of our men, who were at various times prisoners in Forrest's possession, that he was usually very kind to them. He had a desperate set of fellows under him, and at that very time there is no doubt the feeling of the Southern people was fearfully savage on this very point of our making soldiers out of their late slaves, and Forrest may have shared the feeling.

Grant handled the subject in his memoir by quoting Forrest battle report which while not a confession, it highlighted the gory and brutal parts of the retreat down the bluff to the Mississippi River.

When it comes to Fort Pillow, there is a lot of cherry picking going on from all sides. In the original investigation, there were a number of survivors whose version of the event did not fit the narrative. Their testimony was not included. Wade and Gooch had political axes to grind and their committee investigated other battles and events. Generally historians take their efforts with a huge grain of salt. Wade benefitted financially from the investigation and also tried to leverage it to fulfill his political ambitions.

Forrest asked for an investigation/trial after the war on multiple occasions, but it was never organized. He disputed the casualty figures, the testimony of survivors, and the nature of any surrender. Even so, Andy Johnson gave him a pardon in 1868 after continually delaying it over the Fort Pillow affair.

Congress got back into the Fort Pillow business at least two more times. The first occurred in 1879 after Forrest death. The occasion was the election of J R Chalmers to the US House from the shoestring district in Mississippi. Some GOP members did not want to seat him and while not a full blown investigation the issues were revisited. Chalmers produced Union surgeon Charles Fitch's statements to defend himself. Congress eventually chose to seat him as a duly elected congressman.

Fort Pillow was again on the minds of Congress in 1899 when some members thought that the US military was guilty of similar actions in the Filipino War. The 1864 investigation was entered into the record again and the old arguments about what really happened were reopened.
 
General W T Sherman did not participate in the Congressional Investigation of Fort Pillow or the later Congressional Investigation of the KKK. His brother, Senator John Sherman was on the second committee. Four days after the battle, General Sherman was charged by Secretary of War Stanton to conduct a military investigation of Fort Pillow. He delegated the task to General Brayman who collected affidavits from wounded soldiers from the battle in who had been transported to Cairo. However, he was happy to turn over the task to the Joint Subcommittee on the Conduct of the War when Ben Wade showed up.

So the supposed Sherman quote : ""We are here to investigate Forrest, charge Forrest, try Forrest, convict Forrest, and hang Forrest."" is fake. However Sherman did write this in his memoirs:

The massacre at Fort Pillow occurred April 12, 1864, and has been the subject of congressional inquiry. No doubt Forrest's men acted like a set of barbarians, shooting down the helpless negro garrison after the fort was in their possession; but I am told that Forrest personally disclaims any active participation in the assault, and that he stopped the firing as soon as he could. I also take it for granted that Forrest did not lead the assault in person, and consequently that he was to the rear, out of sight if not of hearing at the time, and I was told by hundreds of our men, who were at various times prisoners in Forrest's possession, that he was usually very kind to them. He had a desperate set of fellows under him, and at that very time there is no doubt the feeling of the Southern people was fearfully savage on this very point of our making soldiers out of their late slaves, and Forrest may have shared the feeling.

Grant handled the subject in his memoir by quoting Forrest battle report which while not a confession, it highlighted the gory and brutal parts of the retreat down the bluff to the Mississippi River.

When it comes to Fort Pillow, there is a lot of cherry picking going on from all sides. In the original investigation, there were a number of survivors whose version of the event did not fit the narrative. Their testimony was not included. Wade and Gooch had political axes to grind and their committee investigated other battles and events. Generally historians take their efforts with a huge grain of salt. Wade benefitted financially from the investigation and also tried to leverage it to fulfill his political ambitions.

Forrest asked for an investigation/trial after the war on multiple occasions, but it was never organized. He disputed the casualty figures, the testimony of survivors, and the nature of any surrender. Even so, Andy Johnson gave him a pardon in 1868 after continually delaying it over the Fort Pillow affair.

Congress got back into the Fort Pillow business at least two more times. The first occurred in 1879 after Forrest death. The occasion was the election of J R Chalmers to the US House from the shoestring district in Mississippi. Some GOP members did not want to seat him and while not a full blown investigation the issues were revisited. Chalmers produced Union surgeon Charles Fitch's statements to defend himself. Congress eventually chose to seat him as a duly elected congressman.

Fort Pillow was again on the minds of Congress in 1899 when some members thought that the US military was guilty of similar actions in the Filipino War. The 1864 investigation was entered into the record again and the old arguments about what really happened were reopened.
Good info. Do you know if Forrest ever apologized or expressed any regret over the killing?
 
Forrest expressed contrition for a number of things after the war but he continually maintained that he was framed for Fort Pillow and the facts did not support the charges. He believed he followed the rules of war and treated Fort Pillow prisoners honorably.
 
I had a discussion somewhere on here about who is the officer in the background. I'm not sure if there was much discussion but I leaned towards Colonel Tyree Bell or maybe Colonel Robert "Black Bob" McCulloch.

Just based upon the pix I would guess that it's Black Bob.

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Major Charles W Anderson


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Colonel Tyree Bell
 
Forrest expressed contrition for a number of things after the war but he continually maintained that he was framed for Fort Pillow and the facts did not support the charges. He believed he followed the rules of war and treated Fort Pillow prisoners honorably.
There were numerous times during that campaign that Forrest demanded that a garrison surrender, and that if it took storming the works then there would be no quarter. How is that following the rules of war? Forrest explicitly set the "no quarter" tone during that campaign. He never acknowledged that?
 
I believe that the written correspondence between sides during the surrender negotiations is still extant.

IIRC, Forrest demanded surrender and promised to treat all the surrendered troops as prisoners of war, including the USCT. He said he would not be responsible for the fate of the command if it failed to surrender. He did not threaten no quarter per se. There was testimony that recruits on both sides shouted threats of "no quarter" during the truces and after the fort was over run.

Forrest did use the term "no quarter" at Paducah when demanding the surrender of Fort Anderson. Apparently he was bluffing and left without storming the works. At Fort Pillow he successfully gained the fort and the defenders fled out the rear down a steep bluff to the river. They rushed into entrenched Confederates who were waiting there. The cross fire was deadly but staging a unit surrender was now impossible. Individual soldiers attempted to surrender but others continued to fight. There is strong evidence that some of the individual surrenders were not honored and men were shot after throwing down their arms or after jumping into the river. There is also evidence that some of those counted as killed actually escaped. Soldiers reported back to duty days after the battle and some deserted only to be discovered alive after the war.

Forrest was known to use subterfuge on many occasions when demanding surrender and was successful through misleading his enemy on his own strength, making threats, and concealing his actual plans. He was not afraid to employ harsh language. After the Straight surrender he laughingly said "all is fair in love and war." Look at First Murfreesboro, Union City, Athens, Brice's Cross Roads and even Selma late in the war for how he handled surrenders. Fort Pillow was not the only battle where Forrest's troops were accused of continuing the fight against a retreating or defeated enemy.

Shortly after the battle he corresponded with General Washburn denying a "no quarter" policy against the USCT. He stated that he had always treated prisoners well including the survivors of Fort Pillow (both black and white).

He defended his actions at Fort Pillow vigorously after the war as well.
 
Forrest did use the term "no quarter" at Paducah when demanding the surrender of Fort Anderson. Apparently he was bluffing and left without storming the works.
The confederates certainly did storm the garrison at Paducah, although I know Forrest's biographers have tried to shift the blame for that away from him.

During the same campaign, Forrest threatened the Columbus black troops with no quarter.

So why would the Fort Pillow massacre be unexpected, or out of character for Forrest? He made his intentions clear.
 
The confederates certainly did storm the garrison at Paducah, although I know Forrest's biographers have tried to shift the blame for that away from him.

During the same campaign, Forrest threatened the Columbus black troops with no quarter.

So why would the Fort Pillow massacre be unexpected, or out of character for Forrest? He made his intentions clear.
Forrest forces did attack Fort Anderson but they did not storm the works.

This is what Forrest said about the charges leveled against him regarding Columbus:

"As to the absurd charge that I marched against Columbus with 10,000 men and demanded its surrender with the threat that I would in the event of refusal "massacre" its garrison, I have only to say that I never was during the war within 40 miles of Columbus after its evacuation by the Confederates in 1862 and the the only troops which approached it at the time referred to was a scouting party of less than 100 men; and that the official report of General Lawrence himself utterly disproves your correspondent's statement" N B Forrest - October 1867

So even with the two protagonists declaring it did not happen, the charges still live.

Regarding Fort Pillow Forrest stated:

"The facts are known to the Government of the United States and acquit me, not only in the opinion of the President, Mr. Stanton, and Judge Holt but in that of Congress of any violations of the rules of civilized warfare. Otherwise I would have been long ago arrested and tried on that charge. For my own part, conscious of my innocence and knowing perfectly well that I have always waged war with the strictest regard to the usages of civilized nations, I have never shunned any investigation to which the Executive or Congress might subject my military conduct" October 1867, N B Forrest

Forrest became even more assertive and demanding of an investigation as time went on. He challenged KillCavalry Kilpatrick to a duel for remarks he made about Forrest and Fort Pillow in 1868. Kilpatrick declined to meet. He knew Forrest's intentions.
 
Forrest's demands typically in such situations was unconditional surrender, with any armed blacks to be returned to their masters. Any refusal to surrender, meant no quarter would be given to negro troops and any captured white soldiers were to be treated as prisoners of war.

At Fort Pillow, my understanding is that Union officers refused to surrender, and they initially engaged in subterfuge during Forrest's truce offer, in order to buy time until nearby river transports arrived with reinforcements.

Believe clear evidence of intoxication (among many black and white garrison troops) was a material factor in the Federal troops refusing to capitulate and the chaotic fighting that ensued, after Forrest's troopers assailed the fort.

During the combat as the defenders retreated to the riverbank, below the bluffs, some of the drunken defenders who continued to resist, were intermingled with those attempting to surrender, thereby causing confusion in the fighting and resulting in some combatants who had thrown down their weapons being cut down. (During all of this time, the Federal flag remained flying).

Apparently this scene of carnage was only of short duration, and Forrest upon seeing it (from some 400 yards away) immediately ordered firing to be stopped and his various commanders enforced the order, which was complied with by all their charges except one soldier, who Chalmers had arrested on the spot. (There is sworn postwar testimony by various credible Confederate soldiers to support this).

Upon the cessation of firing, Forrest behaved decently in his treatment of enemy dead and wounded. He ordered Union survivors to bury their own dead and that night he abandoned the fort, leaving wounded Federals there under the care of their own surgeon.

Early the next morning, Forrest sent subordinates back to the fort to assist with arranging the transfer of Federal wounded (both black and white) on board the passing Federal gunboat, 'Silver Cloud', and steamboat, 'Platte Valley'.

It's believed that any excesses charged by some survivors on the night of the battle, was likely committed by guerrillas, robbers and murderers rife in the region, not by Forrest or his men.

Methodist Minister, Col. David C. Kelley (known as 'the Fighting Parson'), a trusted confidant of Forrest, testified that a day or two after the fight, in a conversation he had with Gen. Forrest regarding the colored troops, the general said he was opposed to the killing of negro troops; that it was his policy to capture all he could and return them to their owners. (See 'Life of General Nathan Bedford Forrest' by John Wyeth, h/c @ p. 390).

Consistently, Sherman in his memoirs relating to Fort Pillow, wrote, ...'I am told that Forrest personally disclaims any active participation in the assault, and that he stopped firing as soon as he could.................and I was told by hundreds of our men, who were at various times prisoners in Forrest's possession, that he was usually very kind to them.'.... (See https://www.gutenberg.org/files/4361/4361-h/4361-h.htm#ch16 @ Vol. II, Ch. XVI).

Seems the description of 'massacre' adopted by the Congressional Committee appointed shortly afterwards to report on the events at Fort Pillow, more accurately depicts the abnormally high proportion of Federals killed and wounded, than any atrocities committed, in the engagement.

Thought, after acknowledging Forrest's known aggressive tendencies in combat, that his command conduct at Fort Pillow before, during and afterwards, did not constitute anything nefarious. Also could not find any evidence that he later personally expressed contrition for anything that happened at Fort Pillow.
 
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This is what Forrest said about the charges leveled against him regarding Columbus:

"As to the absurd charge that I marched against Columbus with 10,000 men and demanded its surrender with the threat that I would in the event of refusal "massacre" its garrison, I have only to say that I never was during the war within 40 miles of Columbus after its evacuation by the Confederates in 1862 and the the only troops which approached it at the time referred to was a scouting party of less than 100 men; and that the official report of General Lawrence himself utterly disproves your correspondent's statement" N B Forrest - October 1867

So even with the two protagonists declaring it did not happen, the charges still live.
The charges still live because we know exactly what Forrest's subordinate sent to the Columbus garrison:

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"No quarter will be shown to the negro troops whatever." So, Paducah, Columbus, Fort Pillow... there is a recurring pattern of dishonorable behavior in this campaign of Forrest's.
 
Regarding Fort Pillow Forrest stated:

"The facts are known to the Government of the United States and acquit me, not only in the opinion of the President, Mr. Stanton, and Judge Holt but in that of Congress of any violations of the rules of civilized warfare. Otherwise I would have been long ago arrested and tried on that charge. For my own part, conscious of my innocence and knowing perfectly well that I have always waged war with the strictest regard to the usages of civilized nations, I have never shunned any investigation to which the Executive or Congress might subject my military conduct" October 1867, N B Forrest

Forrest became even more assertive and demanding of an investigation as time went on. He challenged KillCavalry Kilpatrick to a duel for remarks he made about Forrest and Fort Pillow in 1868. Kilpatrick declined to meet. He knew Forrest's intentions.
This answers my question as to whether Forrest ever expressed any regret or assumed any accountability for Fort Pillow. Any alleged redemption late in Forrest's life did not include taking any personal responsibility for what happened on that campaign.
 
The charges still live because we know exactly what Forrest's subordinate sent to the Columbus garrison:

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"No quarter will be shown to the negro troops whatever." So, Paducah, Columbus, Fort Pillow... there is a recurring pattern of dishonorable behavior in this campaign of Forrest's.
Who put these USCT soldiers in this position? They stuck these troops in ill prepared fortifications in too small a number for success. Lack of arms, cannon, ammo in poor service. Evidently had little care what happened to them. Area they knew would be hostile to the capture of Black Troops. Testimony from soldiers during the Congressional hearings. Federal Government failed to protect them. Some weren't even mustered and they didn't have officers for them. White Officers who they had to pay double to even do it.

Another sad part to this story is what was happening to the USCT families during this period. Thrown in Contraband Camps, which have been described as Slave Pens. Which spurred disease, exposure and starvation. Many of these Black Troops lost their families because the Federal Government failed to give them those pledged protections. Focus was on exploiting Black Labor. None of the other Blacks mattered.

Hilarious of some pearl clutching about Forrest and ignorance about what else was happening to them? No Congressional hearings about this part of it.
 
Who put these USCT soldiers in this position? They stuck these troops in ill prepared fortifications in too small a number for success. Lack of arms, cannon, ammo in poor service. Evidently had little care what happened to them. Area they knew would be hostile to the capture of Black Troops. Testimony from soldiers during the Congressional hearings. Federal Government failed to protect them. Some weren't even mustered and they didn't have officers for them. White Officers who they had to pay double to even do it.

Another sad part to this story is what was happening to the USCT families during this period. Thrown in Contraband Camps, which have been described as Slave Pens. Which spurred disease, exposure and starvation. Many of these Black Troops lost their families because the Federal Government failed to give them those pledged protections. Focus was on exploiting Black Labor. None of the other Blacks mattered.

Hilarious of some pearl clutching about Forrest and ignorance about what else was happening to them? No Congressional hearings about this part of it.
Changing the subject is your usual tactic. Your concern for USCT families is not convincing. I'm sure you believe every refugee black should have stayed on the plantation in continued servitude.
 
Here are the relevant communications between Colonel Lawrence, 34th New Jersey, and General Buford. It seems pretty plain that Buford did send the surrender demand to US forces, and he received a reply as well.

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No, please elaborate. Why he would write this and not send it?
It was sent by Captain H. A. Tyler who demonstrated against Columbus on April 12, 1864 with his scouting party of 100 men. According to his diary he signed Buford's name to try to carry out a "game of bluff." The Union commander claimed to have seen through the charade and declined to surrender.

He used a threat of "no quarter" to try to scare the Union commander. It worked for Colonel Duckworth at Union City where the federals surrendered to an inferior force.

The Liebert Code which governed Union forces after 1863 banned the use of a threat of "no quarter" but interestingly it allowed the use of "no quarter" when a commander could not "cumber himself with prisoners." "No quarter" was also given to troops who fight in the uniform of their enemy or to troops whose own corps gives no quarter.

The Code was not adopted by the Confederacy.
 
It was sent by Captain H. A. Tyler who demonstrated against Columbus on April 12, 1864 with his scouting party of 100 men. According to his diary he signed Buford's name to try to carry out a "game of bluff." The Union commander claimed to have seen through the charade and declined to surrender.

He used a threat of "no quarter" to try to scare the Union commander. It worked for Colonel Duckworth at Union City where the federals surrendered to an inferior force.

The Liebert Code which governed Union forces after 1863 banned the use of a threat of "no quarter" but interestingly it allowed the use of "no quarter" when a commander could not "cumber himself with prisoners." "No quarter" was also given to troops who fight in the uniform of their enemy or to troops whose own corps gives no quarter.

The Code was not adopted by the Confederacy.
Captain Tyler tried to fool the Yankees into believing it was from Buford, However, not all the Yankees were fooled. At least not until today.
 

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