Nashville Campaign

Tim, Schofield "lingered" long enough to kill nearly 7,000 Confederates. You are right, I also believe that Forrest had little chance against Wilson's cavalry at that precise point in time. A surrounding of the Union forces, not that they would have allowed that to happen, would only have killed more Confederates. To attack Nashville without more support was folly. Thomas might not have had the "A" team in place, but he was ready for Hood.

Yes, that's so. The point of Forrest's plan is not a victory over Schofield that day. If Hood had given him the infantry division, Forrest might have been able to cross the river and establish crossings. Then Hood could reinforce his success with more troops and -- if Schofield had not pulled out during the night -- Hood would have been in a position to cut between him and Brentwood in the morning. Possibly Forrest might even have been able to get in position to cut the road during the night.

To make that work, Hood would need to keep Schofield occupied at Franklin. A limited attack to chop up the two brigades left behind would have been great; but the full-fledged assault on the main line would have been a bad idea in this plan. Far better to bang those rearguards a shot and then act like Hood would be assaulting in the morning, in the hope Schofield might stay where he was. Meanwhile, Hood could shift a Corps or so across the river during the night or early AM.

Schofield, of course, wasn't having any of that. He was determined to get back to Brentwood and unite with Thomas. It is virtually certain that he would have pulled out of Franklin that night in any case. But Hood could not know that when he gave his orders.

Tim
 
Hood attacked because he believed (correctly) that Schofield was in the process of retreating even as the AoT was coming up to Franklin and that Schofield would be gone by morning (again, quite correct)
It is doubtful that Thomas considered himself anywhere near ready to face Hood and the AoT. Why did he want Schofield to Hold at Franklin for 3 more days and If Schofield force was destroyed at Franklin, would Thomas have considered he even had a 'B' team to face the AoT veterans?
 
It is doubtful that Thomas considered himself anywhere near ready to face Hood and the AoT.
Typical Thomas. Of course he would have liked three more days of preparation -- he wanted all his details done up. He was very deliberate.

When he was satisfied that he was ready, he hit. Hard.

ole
 
Thomas was dramaticly short of veteran troops. Green troops against Veteran are at a serious disadvantage. Thus we have Thomas heavily using AJ Smith's troops at Nashville and their, arguably, decisive role in the victory.

As much as many people like to fault Hood for a lot of things his defensive positions and troop dispositions at Nashville were superb. Well planned and well laid out. Hood did a far superior job than Bragg had at Mission Ridge, his defensive measures and works dramnaticly increased the fighting power of his men.

But Hood was trying to beseige a larger force that was behind powerful fortifications; that in itself was folly.
 
Thomas was dramaticly short of veteran troops. Green troops against Veteran are at a serious disadvantage. Thus we have Thomas heavily using AJ Smith's troops at Nashville and their, arguably, decisive role in the victory.

As much as many people like to fault Hood for a lot of things his defensive positions and troop dispositions at Nashville were superb. Well planned and well laid out. Hood did a far superior job than Bragg had at Mission Ridge, his defensive measures and works dramnaticly increased the fighting power of his men.

But Hood was trying to beseige a larger force that was behind powerful fortifications; that in itself was folly.

Folks, please do not forget one other aspect of Thomas' reluctance to call the advance. When there are two inches of ice on the ground in Nashville, as was the case that second week of December 1864, only the bravest and most nearly sure-footed of souls goes anywhere. More than men or training, that was Thomas' problem.
 
as was the case that second week of December 1864, only the bravest and most nearly sure-footed of souls goes anywhere.
You are correct, one aspect. And the first week?

ole
 
You are correct, one aspect. And the first week?

To feel confident in fighting Hood, Thomas would need all three of Smith's divisions available. Two of them were just getting off the riverboats on Nov. 30; the other would be disembarking on Dec. 1. At the same time, Steedman's troops were ordered to Nashville on Nov. 30 and arrived near Nashville late on Dec. 1.

What this means is that by late on December 1, Thomas has 15,000 reinforcements at Nashville (at least 2/3rds of them tough veterans). Barring the destruction of Schofield's troops, Hood is already too late to take Nashville unless he gets there in time to attack on Nov. 30. Late on Nov. 30, Hood is just approaching Franklin. The race for Nashville was already won by the Union as December 1 dawned.

Early on November 30, Thomas was hoping he could get Smith moving out to Brentwood late that day; the realities of movement made that impossible. About 11:30 PM he was hoping to have Smith and Steedman moving out to Brentwood on December 1; that was also too optimistic. When you consider the practical matters involved in getting Smith off the transports and organized, and of Steedman taking the trains from Cowan while wondering if he was about to be ambushed, then getting his troops shaken out for movement, any forward movement by Thomas is limited. He might have gotten 2 of Smith's divisions moving on December 2, but only for a short distance. He probably cannot have all of Smith plus Steedman operational in the field (say more than 8-10 miles from Nashville) before December 3. (The horses and wagons of the supply train also have to be disembarked, unloaded from the trains, etc. then organized and routed to the right spots, etc.)

Thomas was hoping to do that quicker. Maybe he could have done it. He was a general and a good one; many of the troops involved were veterans. I'm just a guy who likes to read military history. But for ordinary generals in ordinary times, getting those reinforcements out in the field on December 3 would be pretty good.

Add to this the condition of Schofield's arriving troops. They'd just been hustled back from the Georgia line, almost surrounded, escaping via more than one night march, and through a vicious battle. They are arriving in Nashville on December 1, tired and worn down.

Wilson's troopers are also worn out. Their horses are broken down, they need some reorganization, theit commander is just arrived, has been roughly handled by Forrest, and needs to get a grip on his command.

A truly aggressive, charismatic, driving commander might have gotten all that combined, turned around, and out in Hood's face on December 2 or 3. Maybe Sheridan, Lee, Jackson, Forrest or Grant would have done it. Maybe one or two others. Lots of good commanders would not have done it.

That means it is reasonable to expect Thomas to do it sometime later. In fact, the Battle of Nashville is fought Dec. 15-16. That's not a lot of time, given the need to get all this shaken into order and refitted a bit, plus the weather.

No one was going to move in the ice storm in any case, so it is really a matter of moving very quickly -- or exactly when Thomas did move. If Grant had actually been in Nashville, he probably wouldn't have moved too much faster. Based on his personality, he might have started out to hit Hood before the 10th. But if Grant had decided that he needed to take time to put his Army in order, he'd have done that as well. The big difference is that Grant would have managed the relationship back to HQ and Washington much better than Thomas did.

Tim
 
Further defense of my buddy Thomas: I wonder if Thomas either had information on Hood's intentions or just a good reading of the man. There is Hood, "beseiging" Nashville, freezing his a** off, while Thomas is safe behind the incredibly strong works at Nashville. If he knows or suspects Hood isn't going anywhere, what's the hurry? I know Grant is burning up the telegraph lines saying "attack" but a hasty attack before all is ready may simply result in Hood withdrawing to a position harder for Thomas to get at. As long as Hood is not moving and intends to maintain the "seige", then Thomas is certainly correct in waiting. If he had attacked precipitously, we may be speculating about why Thomas did not wait until all his troops were up before launching an attack.

It is rather incredible that so many people second guess a general who won a crushing victory. The question one must ask is, could Thomas have accomplished anything more by moving more quickly? Clearly the answer is "no." Hood's army is effectively immobilized and growing weaker by the day. Thomas is growing stronger. And then the ice storm hits and it is impossible to move cavalry or artillery, so the attacks starts a week later than it otherwise would have and Thomas probably benefits in that Hood's ill-supplied troops no doubt suffer considerably more from the storm than Thomas'.

So, raise a glass to the brilliant strategy of the Rock of Chickamauga.
 
Hood

I agree with Cockerham. The boys under Hood were in sad shape. Little or no food, most Reb clothes were ragged, no shoes, no blankets, etc. How in the world those men could fight under those conditions is beyond me. It's hard to fight when you are hungry and freezing.
 
Makes a good reason to go home, doesn't it, banker? It always boggles that these boys put up with the most monstrous conditions and still showed up in the morning. Something to think about.

ole
 
December 11, 1864 known as 'cold Sunday'. Recorded Nashville temperature 13 degrees below zero. Today that would be a brass monkey alert in Brentwood.
 

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