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[TheBloodySixthMS]

Find out if you can how they had it and let me know. There are a lot of different ways they had their regiment on the flag

 

[AUG]

I'm actually still debating if that is the "one", there was another design.

Now, you could easily just use this:

But having the markings of "2nd Texas" across the top, with mentions of "Val Verde" and "Mansfield" across the sides, their original banners are nowhere to be found on the net unfortunately.

Now for my Union ancestor, the 49th Kentucky Volunteer Infantry, I can't find squat on the flag they used.

If you had an ancestor in the 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade" then they wouldn't have been at Valverde. Maybe you're getting confused between the 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles (also referred to as the 2nd Texas Cavalry) and 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade." It can get confusing because John H. Baylor for a time commanded the former and his younger brother, George Baylor, commanded the latter.

Note that the gideon posted by BloodySixth is that of the 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles aka 2nd Texas Cavalry.

 

[Desert Kid]

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/qks08

Appears to me we were both right. The Gideon and the square battle flag were both used. But I'd prefer the Gideon be made out of something more sturdy than polyester.

 

[Desert Kid]

If you had an ancestor in the 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade" than they wouldn't have been at Valverde. Maybe you're getting confused between the 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles (also referred to as the 2nd Texas Cavalry) and 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade." It can get confusing because John H. Baylor for a time commanded the former and his younger brother, George Baylor, commanded the latter.

Note that the gideon posted by BloodySixth is that of the 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles aka 2nd Texas Cavalry.

It was the one that fought at Valverde and Mansfield, it would have been the "Arizona Brigade".

 

[Desert Kid]

It was the one that fought at Valverde and Mansfield, it would have been the "Arizona Brigade".

 

[Desert Kid]

They were listed as "Mounted Partisans".

 

[AUG]

It was the one that fought at Valverde and Mansfield, it would have been the "Arizona Brigade".

2nd Texas Cavalry and 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade" are two different regiments.

See here for 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade":
https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/qks06

Also a good description of the Arizona Brigade here:
http://www.chab-belgium.com/pdf/english/Arizona Brigade.pdf

The Arizona Brigade was not Sibley's Brigade. The four regiments that comprised it were recruited by John H. Baylor after the New Mexico Campaign, originally intended to be used to reclaim the Southwestern territories, but instead ended up serving elsewhere throughout the Trans-Mississippi. The 2nd and 3rd were sent to Richard Taylor in Louisiana in mid 1863.

 

[Desert Kid]

2nd Texas Cavalry and 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade" are two different regiments.

See here for 2nd Texas Cavalry, "Arizona Brigade":
https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/qks06

Also a good description of the Arizona Brigade here:
http://www.chab-belgium.com/pdf/english/Arizona Brigade.pdf

The Arizona Brigade was not Sibley's Brigade; they were recruited by John H. Baylor after the New Mexico Campaign, originally intended to be used to reclaim the Southwestern territories, but were instead sent to Louisiana in mid 1863. The Arizona Brigade was organized into four regiments; the 2nd and 3rd were sent to Richard Taylor in Louisiana.

Were they not eventually folded?

Cannons that were captured at Valverde were used during Red River.

 

[AUG]

Were they not eventually folded?

Cannons that were captured at Valverde were used during Red River.

According to "Lone Star Regiments in Gray" by Ralph A. Wooster, the 2nd Texas Cavalry did serve in Louisiana for while, throughout summer of 1863, but were later returned to Texas. Though I don't find any mention of them ever being consolidated with the 2nd Texas Cavalry Arizona Brigade in any way.

And yes, the Valverde Battery later served alongside Tom Green's Cavalry Brigade (originally Sibley's) in Louisiana under Taylor.

I feel as though I'm bringing this thread waaay off track (sorry, BloodySixth), but I can discuss more in PM.

 

[Desert Kid]

According to "Lone Star Regiments in Gray" by Ralph A. Wooster, the 2nd Texas Cavalry did serve in Louisiana for while, throughout summer of 1863, but were later returned to Texas. Though I don't find any mention of them ever being consolidated with the 2nd Texas Cavalry Arizona Brigade in any way.


Yes, the Valverde Battery later served alongside Tom Green's Cavalry Brigade (originally Sibley's) in Louisiana under Taylor.

I feel as though I'm bringing this thread waaay off track (sorry, BloodySixth), but I can discuss more in PM.

So back on subject, the square Trans-Mississippi flag would have been the one the "Arizona Brigade" used correct?

 

[AUG]

So back on subject, the square Trans-Mississippi flag would have been the one the "Arizona Brigade" used correct?

What flag they used is not exactly known, as there are no surviving examples, at least that I am aware of. Though it was probably the Trans-Mississippi or Taylor battle flag with the reversed colors. If not that then maybe a First National or Texas state flag.

 

[Desert Kid]

What flag they used is not exactly known, as there are no surviving examples, at least that I am aware of. Though it was probably the Trans-Mississippi or Taylor battle flag with the reversed colors. If not that then maybe a First National or Texas state flag.

I'm leaning towards Taylor's flag with the reversed colors.

 

[AUG]

I'm leaning towards Taylor's flag with the reversed colors.

Think that would look good with unit designation as "2nd Texas Cavalry, Arizona Brigade" or "2nd Regiment, Arizona Brigade" and battles honors in gold lettering.

Battle honors would be: Brashear City, Fort Butler, Kock's Plantation, Bayou Bourbeau, Sterling's Plantation, Wilson's Farm, Mansfield, Pleasant Hill, Blair's Landing, Monett's Ferry, and Yellow Bayou.

 

[TheBloodySixthMS]

It's going to be a while. I have 2 more to do for guys in my unit

 

[Desert Kid]

Think that would look good with unit designation as "2nd Texas Cavalry, Arizona Brigade" or "2nd Regiment, Arizona Brigade" and battles honors in gold lettering.

Battle honors would be: Brashear City, Fort Butler, Kock's Plantation, Bayou Bourbeau, Sterling's Plantation, Wilson's Farm, Mansfield, Pleasant Hill, Blair's Landing, Monett's Ferry, and Yellow Bayou.

How many would they usually sew into the battle flag? Until they ran out of space?

 

[AUG]

How many would they usually sew into the battle flag? Until they ran out of space?

It varied, some display every major and minor battle the regiment served in while others have none or just the largest engagements. I would just include the largest battles or those the regiment played the greatest part in. That would be Fort Butler (their first major battle), Kock's Plantation, Mansfield, Pleasant Hill, and maybe Yellow Bayou (last major battle). But of course it also depends on when, 1863, 64, or 65?

 

[Desert Kid]

It varied, some display every major and minor battle the regiment served in while others have none or just the largest engagements. I would just include the largest battles or those the regiment played the greatest part in. That would be Fort Butler (their first major battle), Kock's Plantation, Mansfield, Pleasant Hill, and maybe Yellow Bayou (last major battle). But of course it also depends on when, 1863, 64, or 65?

Hedging bet on 64.

 

[AUG]

Hedging bet on 64.

If before or during Red River Campaign then Fort Butler and Kock's Plantation, and if after then include Mansfield, Pleasant Hill, and Yellow Bayou.

Also, for dimensions you might want to use that of this example:
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/exhibits/flags/4039Unidentified.html

Dimensions are in the 1999 conservator's report in the PDF at the bottom.

 

[Desert Kid]

After Red River. I think I'd like that.

 

[bankerpapaw]

Very nice!!!