Musket Help

[Gillam&Miller]

Anyone have a clue as to what this is and what these markings are ?

 

[Story]

1) Converted from flintlock, German? (N under crown, on barrel by bolster/nipple) .
[See #10 in German row, below)

2) Ottoman numbers?

 

[thomas aagaard]

French M1822 converted to percussion?
Front barrel band and bayonet lug looks the same as my two M1822s.
So do the parts of the lock that have not been changed in the conversion.
But Iam not sure if that would not also be the case with a older french flintlock musket?

1) Converted from flintlock, German? (N under crown, on barrel by bolster/nipple) .
[See #10 in German row, below)

ah, was about to mention that I would say it was the german marks... but I guess you edited your post

 

[Gillam&Miller]

French M1822 converted to percussion?
Front barrel band and bayonet lug looks the same as my two M1822s.
So do the parts of the lock that have not been changed in the conversion.
But Iam not sure if that would not also be the case with a older french flintlock musket?


ah, was about to mention that I would say it was the german marks... but I guess you edited your post

Any idea what they are worth ?

 

[Story]

French M1822 converted to percussion?
Front barrel band and bayonet lug looks the same as my two M1822s.
So do the parts of the lock that have not been changed in the conversion.
But Iam not sure if that would not also be the case with a older french flintlock musket?

German-captured and converted, sold to the Turks?

ah, was about to mention that I would say it was the german marks... but I guess you edited your post

Yup, was lying upside down when I first looked at the chart.

 

[Story]

Reasonably knowledgeable friend suggested it might be Crimean War aid to the Turks.

 

[Story]

From the German ALPHA catalog of 1911

 

[thomas aagaard]

From the German ALPHA catalog of 1911
View attachment 448732

That is the M1822 and a shorter version of the M1840.

In danish service they where shorten a bit and rifled in 1861 and then called "minieriffle af fransk model I" and "model II."

From a 1862 instruction book on arms for the nco school.
As can be seen the way the conversion from flint to percussion is not the same as this.

 

[thomas aagaard]

German-captured and converted, sold to the Turks?
Yup, was lying upside down when I first looked at the chart.

Captured when? There where no franco-german wars between 1815 and 1870.

If that is the case it must originally have been a model of musket used during the Napoleonic wars???

 

[Story]

Captured when? There where no franco-german wars between 1815 and 1870.

If that is the case it must originally have been a model of musket used during the Napoleonic wars???

How about French aid to the Turks for Crimea, then the Turks sold them off to German dealers to recoup spending on modernish Mausers prior to WW1? That'd explain the German proofmark.

 

[Story]

That is the M1822
As can be seen the way the conversion from flint to percussion is not the same as this.

I see a cone-in-bore in the Alpha catalog and in your drawing but a drum in the OP's musket. Considering the progression of conversion styles with Springfields I'd think the French went through the same learning curves.

 

[Story]

From the 1940 Bannersmans' Catalog.
No illustration to help with determining the style of conversion (and even if there was, Bannermans was known to use generic drawings).

 

[johan_steele]

Whatever it was originally I'd say it went through Belgian hands and was "modernized."

 

[Story]

Whatever it was originally I'd say it went through Belgian hands and was "modernized."

Why Belgian?