More than I bargained for

My 3G from New Orleans was married to lady from Lancaster County, PA. There is no family lore on how this happened. I often wonder how they felt towards their family in PA and visa versus.
Although very post War, my Grandparents had similar story.

He was a young man that grew up across the Mississippi state line, about 90 miles north of NOLA.
She was an even younger girl from St. Louis, MO.

He worked for the railroad ... on a route from New Orleans to Chicago.
Her family owned a boarding house in St. Louis that was rented by the railroad.

So we know how they met ... "fell in luv " ... & got married.
But both his and her parents were not happy with those two getting married (basically in secret).
Neither Grandparent really talked about it to my Mom & her siblings.

Long story short, the objections boiled down to three issues:

They were too young.
Personal North/South Civil War emotions were still a thing in 1923.
He was Protestant, she was Roman Catholic.


So keep digging, you might find some answers.

BTW ... my Grandparents remained together for almost 60 years, until my Grandfathers death.
 
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Lupa, the whole family was living in Scott County, Mississippi, at the outbreak as far as I know. Their father, a War of 1812 veteran, moved the family from Talbot County, Georgia, to Scott County MS in 1845.

Are you by any chance talking about the sons of James Lyon Burks who married in 1811 to Martha (Patsy) Robinson? She was his first wife. I know he married two more times but I have no information about either of these marriages.
 
The question as to why six of the seven brothers served in the war seems simple enough. If they were of military age and capacity, their service was due by law, irrespective of their individual enthusiasm for the war.

When the secession crisis commenced, the Governors called up the volunteer militia of their State, and many new companies formed enthusiastically when the war fever caught on. However, the common militia, by law, included all free white men, ages 18 to 45 years, excepting certain exemptions, including ministers of the gospel. Most were unorganized except those who joined a fancy uniformed volunteer company. Pretty much all the men were subject to at least militia duty in that period. The Governors are the commanders-in-chief of the militia of their State. Same in the Confederacy, which retained all the militia and military laws of the USA.

In the period before the Presidential election of November, 1860, the Southern presses, and no less in Mississippi, were rife with declarations that Lincoln, upon election, was bent upon a fanatical war with the South. Credulity varied, but the headlines more or less flashed constantly with notices of...

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After Lincoln won the election, Mississippi seceded from the union January 9, 1861.

When the War commenced, the Confederate government provided quotas to the States for "volunteer" troops, etc., besides the State forces already tendered to the Confederacy. At the outset of the war there were more volunteers than the quotas required. From the Eastern Clarion of Paulding, Miss., May 10, 1861:

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J.E. Robuck, a veteran of the 29th Mississippi, recalled of the setting in Mississippi in March, 1861:

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And after the news of the victory at Manassas, Virginia in July, 1861:

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Robuck mentions that threats of a national draft were used to induce many to volunteer by the close of '61:

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Robuck mentions that where entreaties were not otherwise working to get a chap to join up, from the public men, then the ladies were next employed as the recruiters...

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Where men were not forthcoming to volunteer from a certain district, etc., a militia draft would be held to provide the full number of the Confederate quota, but as noted above, near every devise possible was employed to get men to volunteer.


By April, 1862 the bulk of the Confederate army's one year enlistment was drawing to a close, and but few had enlisted for the duration. Also, enlistments generally had stagnated, and it appeared the Confederate army was about to disband. After much debate, and public notices, the CSA passed a general law conscripting all men between 18 and 35 into the army directly. Those who were formed into new volunteer units before their induction would have the advantage of electing their own officers, etc. Those who waited to be taken up would be put in a camp of instruction under regular discipline, and sent to an existing regiment for service at the front with strangers, and under officers they did not know, etc. The enlistment under the conscription laws was generally three years or the duration of the war.

Robuck mentions of this period in his memoir:

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Men exempted from the Confederate conscription, were still subject to militia service, and being called forth by either the Governor, or the President of the Confederacy, during the war.
For example, from the Macon, Miss. Beacon, of July 30, 1862, is a list of men drafted for militia active service... but to report to Camp Newton

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From the Natchez Daily Courier, Nov. 21, 1862.

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the Confederate conscription acts, by the end of the war, declared all free white men aged 17 to 50 years in Confederate army service, with certain exemptions. Many States themselves enrolled men from 16 to 60, not otherwise in service, into Home Guard or militia formations subject to calling forth in emergencies, etc.

Mississippi supplied well over 80,000 men to the Confederate army. The compiled service records contain over 170,000 individual records.
 
I was also shocked when I saw many family and local names swearing they were Unionist from the start of the War.
I don't believe any of these relatives !
Gawd, most of these families provided multiple sons to the Confederate cause.

But, when one starts to research their ancestry, they should be prepared to uncover some facts that they might not have expected.

The term "Unionist" just meant they were not enthusiastic supporters of the secession movement, or questioned the exact constitutional basis of secession, etc., irrespective of their support for the Southern Confederacy after its establishment, and the outbreak of war.

IN his book on the Mississippi secession, Tim Smith refers to three blocs, "secessionists," "cooperationists," and unconditional union men. To the secessionists both of the others were enemies. Of these, the "cooperationists" were cowed by a combination of circumstances. A minority were "out and out" Union men, and would not abide the Confederacy no matter what.

J.H. Aughey, an out and out union preacher in Mississippi, noted during the secession period it could be troublesome to openly oppose the secession movement.

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And particularly after the outbreak of the war, when union sentiment, or avoiding conscription, etc. could lead to many difficulties:

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Aughey continues...

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Besides the trouble with the law and the Confederacy, Aughey states there were "vigilante" committees afoot, which threatened summary and lawless "justice" upon those openly subscribing to union sentiments.

Some of these groups had formed even before the war.

From Jared Ruminski's recent book on Mississippi during the period:

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The voter turnout for the secession convention election was evidently somewhat low, and in many districts, only the "secession" ticket was made available. The resulting secession convention passed the ordinance of secession on January 9, 1861.

Aughey claimed to be the only union vote in the secession convention election in his precinct:

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In any case, the State Convention laid out their justification for the action of the convention in seceding from the Union thus:

A Declaration of the immediate causes which induces and justify the secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union, MDAH
 
Owning 18 slaves puts your family way above the average of most Southern slave owners.

But I understand your shock.

I just finished reading a study of a late War Union raid into my county.
An entire chapter of appendix pages document testimonies from the (1870's) Post War United States Southern Claims Commission.
(Civilians testifying about what the Union confiscated from their property back in 1864, and how much the US Government owed them).


I was also shocked when I saw many family and local names swearing they were Unionist from the start of the War.
I don't believe any of these relatives !
Gawd, most of these families provided multiple sons to the Confederate cause.

But, when one starts to research their ancestry, they should be prepared to uncover some facts that they might not have expected.
Hi 7th Mississippi Infantry: do you happen to remember the book that you mentioned in your post of 2013 (above)?

"a study of a late War Union raid into my county" Thank you.
 
My 3G from New Orleans was married to lady from Lancaster County, PA. There is no family lore on how this happened. I often wonder how they felt towards their family in PA and visa versus.

*That* would be an interesting thread to pull on until the answer(s) are revealed.

What business was he engaged in? And his wife's family?

They were married before the war. He was from New Orleans and he lived his life out there.
 
I took a particular interest in my ggg Uncle Lemuel Burks, Sgt., Co. I, 27th Mississippi Infantry
I believe, if memory serves correctly, my 2nd grand uncle, John O'Donell was also in the 27th Mississippi Infantry. I have his pension slip in my records box somewhere here at home but it's put up somewhere. I need to get it out and verify. Also would like to research his service record which I haven't done yet.
 
Mostly Yankees (Wisconsin, Michigan, Mass.) on Dad's side, but Mom's is mostly Southern families, which I am paying attention to these days and I am finding a bunch of connections to the Confederacy, which of course is no surprise. In looking at the siblings of my second great-grandmother, six of her seven brothers served the CSA in one capacity or the other: three in the 2nd Miss. Cavalry, one in the 20th Regiment, Graham's Infantry, one in the 27th Miss. Infantry and the very youngest (Rufus Henry Burks, born 1849) shown as having served in the Harris Regiment of the Mississippi Militia, or so it says on his tombstone in Austin, Texas.
I took a particular interest in my ggg Uncle Lemuel Burks, Sgt., Co. I, 27th Mississippi Infantry after learning that his death from gangrene was unusual enough to merit his damaged clavicle being removed upon his death by the acting assistant surgeon at the Union hospital in Nashville and sent, with notes, to the Army Medical Museum. Upon my inquiry, staff there are currently searching to see if it is still in the collections. Uncle Lem had taken a musket ball through the clavicle and out the back at Missionary Ridge, and appeared to be healing well. But in mid-Febuary, he developed an infection that proved fatal on the 17th.
Why did six of the seven boys serve the Confederate military, I wondered. (The eldest did not; he was a minister.) A look at the Census records for 1830 through 1860 showed that their father owned an increasing number of slaves -- 18 at the beginning of the war. I had heard rumors that there was some slaveholding among some of my families in the South, but to see the males and females and their ages tallied on 1860 Census Schedule 2 came to me as a shock.
Here is the entry on Uncle Lem. The medical museum staff in Silver Spring are pretty sure it is from one of the volumes of "Medical and Surgical History of the War of the Rebellion."

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Excellent post!
I am glad that most of my Civil War ancestors did not own slaves. One ancestor did own ONE slave, and ironically this slave owner was the grandfather of my Union soldier ancestor, Thomas J. Rich of the 13th Illinois Cavalry. My Confederate ancestors owned zero slaves.
 

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