Muzzleldrs Model 1812 Springfield

Bigjake528

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Hello all, I have recently acquired a model 1812 springfield manufactured in 1816. It was converted at some point to percussion. The guy I bought it off of picked it up in Georgia years back from a man claiming it has spent it's life in the south. My question is there anyway to tell where this gun was converted or other clues that would tell me it's history. Also any estimates of approximate value. Thanks in advance

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Thanks for the information, I'm primarily a ww2 firearms collector and this is my first weapon from this period, being a history guy I just couldn't pass it up
 
Also on a side note, are model 1812s significantly more rare to find these days, I know model 1816s were produced for many years and there were hundreds of thousands made but from what I can research there was only about 30,000 model 1812s made over 3 or 4 years
 
Welcome From The Heart Of Dixie.
 
Yes, the Model 1812 with the cheek-piece dished out is far more difficult to add to a collection. For this musket to have been converted to percussion by Leman it had to be a new condition unfired musket from years of storage.
J.
I've had trouble finding another just like it does the rare factor add much to overall value?
 
Bigjake528 - Can you measure the barrel length for me, please? Measure it from the muzzle to the back end of the barrel, not including the breech plug tang. I have some other ideas about this arm, and its potential value. Thank you.
J.
 
Bigjake528 - Can you measure the barrel length for me, please? Measure it from the muzzle to the back end of the barrel, not including the breech plug tang. I have some other ideas about this arm, and its potential value. Thank you.
J.
33 and 1/4 inches
 
Great photo, thank you! Your musket has the potential of being a Confederate battlefield salvaged and repaired arm. The salvaged repair would have been to shorten the barrel and stock to remove whatever was damaged, leaving the musket as long as possible, which was as per Confederate orders. However, these muskets are usually conjectural, at best, and do not command the premium of CS manufactured muskets and rifles. As a side note, yours seems to have been "Duffle Bag Cut" at sometime. If so, that will most assuredly detract from the value.
J.
 
Great photo, thank you! Your musket has the potential of being a Confederate battlefield salvaged and repaired arm. The salvaged repair would have been to shorten the barrel and stock to remove whatever was damaged, leaving the musket as long as possible, which was as per Confederate orders. However, these muskets are usually conjectural, at best, and do not command the premium of CS manufactured muskets and rifles. As a side note, yours seems to have been "Duffle Bag Cut" at sometime. If so, that will most assuredly detract from the value.
J.
If true that makes it an amazing piece of history I love that about war used firearms from any period it gives it a "if it could talk" feel. If true what would you place the value at for this? Thanks againfor your input!
 
Great piece! Thanks for sharing and welcome to our little obsession! Enjoy!
 
I am not a dealer, but as a collector (with a tip o' the hat to Norm Flayderman), here's what I've learned about prices and collectability. There are three factors affecting value: demand, rarity, and condition. Demand is a slippery thing and can be based upon such things as type/model, appearance and proven historical provenience, among other factors. Many times a seller will suggest that a gun could/possibly/might have/perhaps been used by someone or some unit at some place at some time; Custer-range trapdoor carbines, for example. Without proof, such claims while true, are essentially meaningless and do little more than to possibly coax a few more dollars from the buyer. It's like saying a certain Committee of Safety musket fired the first shot at Lexington or Concord. Rarity, as the name suggests, also depends upon many factors. In this case, Springfield manufactured about 15,000 Type III M1812s. In original flintlock condition, a M1812 musket in good, original condition can fetch about two grand, give or take. As an arsenal conversion, the price drops significantly to several hundred dollars. If it was a local gunsmith conversion or if the gun is missing parts, has been overly cleaned, been cut down or is in otherwise in poor condition, the price will drop even more.

The bottom line is that the musket is only worth what someone will pay and that value is based upon the above three factors.

I hope this helps put things into perspective.
 
If true that makes it an amazing piece of history I love that about war used firearms from any period it gives it a "if it could talk" feel. If true what would you place the value at for this? Thanks againfor your input!
Thanks for posting the great pictures of your rifle. Welcome
 

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