MO Bushwhacker Jim Jackson

[yellowthornoftexas]

That's cool! I'm going to show this to my co-worker!
Those naysayers say it's all over slavery. Apparently some of those slaves thought it worthy enough to fight. I hold those MEN in the highest regard.
Far as I'm concerned, they were soldiers and men not merely slaves.

 

[peteanddelmar]

The older brother was wounded, and his servant picked up the rifle and started shooting. In a letter home written by the younger brother, he stated how happy the servant was when he thought he'd "shot himself a Yankee".

There had to be cases of family type loyalty between personal servants and masters. Say they grew up together even though one was master. As in Jo Shelby's case. He was a bad racist but treated his personal servant Billy Hunter with much more regard. On his first campaign he left Billy Hunter home TO PROTECT HIS WIFE AND KIDS.
And I am sure some blacks were scared of racist in the Union army. They might have thought the Union soldiers killed all blacks they came across. So I am sure at times a few blacks fought for the south. Or to protect people they had become close too, white or black.

 

[Georgia Sixth]

That's cool! I'm going to show this to my co-worker!
Those naysayers say it's all over slavery. Apparently some of those slaves thought it worthy enough to fight. I hold those MEN in the highest regard.
Far as I'm concerned, they were soldiers and men not merely slaves.

Well, the Confederate government certainly refused to have black soldiers until the very last month or two of the war. To me, that's what makes these occasional stories all the more intriguing. When I read the story that your friend shared, it made me wonder if maybe somehow this is where the character in "Ride With The Devil" came from.

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

There had to be cases of family type loyalty between personal servants and masters. Say they grew up together even though one was master. As in Jo Shelby's case. He was a bad racist but treated his personal servant Billy Hunter with much more regard. On his first campaign he left Billy Hunter home TO PROTECT HIS WIFE AND KIDS.
And I am sure some blacks were scared of racist in the Union army. They might have thought the Union soldiers killed all blacks they came across. So I am sure at times a few blacks fought for the south. Or to protect people they had become close too, white or black.

Watch at least the beginning of this video :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVYLswFcI48

I'm curious, do you know if the 2nd man (with the bugle) that speaks, is Billy Hunter ? He seems to be saying he was "bodyguard" to both Generals Marmaduke and Jo Shelby.

 

[yellowthornoftexas]

Wow! That's a cool video.

 

[peteanddelmar]

Watch at least the beginning of this video :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVYLswFcI48

I'm curious, do you know if the 2nd man (with the bugle) that speaks, is Billy Hunter ? He seems to be saying he was "bodyguard" to both Generals Marmaduke and Jo Shelby.

IDK, could be. Marmaduke and Shelby units fought together all the time.

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

IDK, could be. Marmaduke and Shelby units fought together all the time.

Can't tell if he's saying he was bodyguard for both men, or he says "I'm Marmaduke (nickname ?) bodyguard for Joe Shelby. Billy Hunter also took part in Shelby's funeral

https://books.google.com/books?id=q...e+shelby&source=bl&ots=ys5D44Zfj2&sig=eNxiTLD

 

[peteanddelmar]

Can't tell if he's saying he was bodyguard for both men, or he says "I'm Marmaduke (nickname ?) bodyguard for Joe Shelby. Billy Hunter also took part in Shelby's funeral

https://books.google.com/books?id=qQLCdigbP5YC&pg=PA398&lpg=PA398&dq=billy+hunter+&+gen+joe+shelby&source=bl&ots=ys5D44Zfj2&sig=eNxiTLD

Exactly. I doubt he had to take part in the funeral.

 

[Patrick H]

When I read the story that your friend shared, it made me wonder if maybe somehow this is where the character in "Ride With The Devil" came from.

While re-reading this old thread today, I realized that no one had answered Georgia Sixth's speculation about the character of Daniel Holt in "Ride With The Devil." Yes, I am convinced that John Noland was the prime inspiration for the Daniel Holt character. At least two other black men rode with Quantrill. A trusted man named John Lobb spied and scouted for Quantrill. Lobb once refused the offer of a militia officer to "escape" to Kansas. He reportedly answered: "Hell no! I don't want to have nothin' to do with such robbers and thieves!" A third man variously known as Zack or Rube came into the company after the Baxter Springs fight. He was previously known to George Todd and Todd liked him a lot. Zack served as a hostler and barber to the Quantrill company. These guys all fascinate me.

 

[archieclement]

Jackson is one whose pre war origin is murky, but according to brochure I got on the Davis county raid he was a Texan.

He was a Texas ranger and sent with a Texas regt to join John Hunt Morgan's raid, and was captured and sent to Camp Douglas, from there he escaped and eventually fell in with Clifton Holtzclaw.

 

[Patrick H]

There had to be cases of family type loyalty between personal servants and masters.

I had forgotten about this thread, and just read through it again this morning. This little bit is not about the original bushwhacker who is the topic of the thread, but rather is about John Noland. Within the last few years, our friend and fellow forum member @Booner has discovered an old census record of a "mulatto" living on the Asbury Noland farm in Jackson County, Missouri. He is the correct age to be John Noland, and we have concluded that Noland was probably the blood cousin of (or the half brother of) the Noland brothers who rode with Quantrill. We know that he went off to war after jayhawkers raided his "family." I always wondered why jayhawkers would raid a black family. But when I consider that John Noland was probably a blood relation to the Asbury Noland family, it starts to make a lot more sense. Noland went off to war with his white family.

 

[archieclement]

Think jayhawkers would raid any family, their primary motivation was simply booty.

Whether a family was Unionist, or non slaveholder mattered little, not surprised color wouldn't as well.

 

[Borderruffian]

Holtzclaw and One Armed Alvin Cobb formed bands early on in that general area. Cobb went to California/Oregon around 1863 .