Missouri state militia question

[philip murphy]

Would anyone know if it would be conceivable for some members of the MSM to have had saddle holsters on their horse equipment's?

Many thanks

 

[philip murphy]

I found references that the MSM 5th regt had 202 pairs of saddle holsters.

 

[Patrick H]

Hi, Philip, and welcome. Looks like you found the answer to your question.

 

[leftyhunter]

I don't doubt that they did. CSA Guerrillas carried a lot of revolvers. If A member of the MSM was agressive and wanted at least a chance to survive he would carry as much firepower as he could get his hands on. I have a thread in the firearms forum "how did the MSM kill anyone" its a minor miracle that they did.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Would anyone know if it would be conceivable for some members of the MSM to have had saddle holsters on their horse equipment's?

Many thanks

If your really interested in the COIN war in Mo let me know I own a lot of books on it and they should be fairly easy to get has used for a reasonable price from Amazon or another online dealer. If you are familiar with the "Troubles' the MSM is roughly similar to the Ulster Defense Regiment except the MSM was full time vs the part-time UDR . Both the CSA and the Union had many part-time militias who fought by their own rules. I also have a thread Union vs CSA Guerrillas.
Leftyhunter

 

[Booner]

I would be very interested in seeing your list on the COIN war in MO.

 

[Patrick H]

Booner, I am certain Leftyhunter will get back to you with his own list. In the meantime, here are several. Near the bottom of my list are several links to information about guerrilla actions in Howard and Cooper Counties. I know you will be retiring to Boonville, in the center of that area. You will be surrounded by guerrilla history:

"Quantrill and the Border Wars", by William Elsey Connelley. This index and footnotes alone in this book are worth its cost, although Connelley was a Kansas of the turn of the previous century so his work has a certain demonizing slant.
He is especially interesting because he knew and interviewed a number of the guerrillas.

"Civil War on the Missouri-Kansas Border", by Donald Gilmore. This is a response to Connelley.

"Gray Ghosts of the Confederacy", by Richard S. Brownlee. A scholarly work of the 1950s. Includes a roster of known guerrillas and what became of them.

"Three Years With Quantrill", dictated by John McCorckle, written by O. S. Barton. Annotated by Albert Castel. Good insights into the motivation of guerrillas.

"Quantrill's Guerrillas 1861-1865" by Samuel Anderson Pence. Transcribed stories by Donnie and Bud Pence, who were guerrillas. Useful for its lengthy biographies of many guerrillas.

"Autobiography of Samuel S. Hildebrand" Interesting for its account of guerrilla actions in the bootheel region of Missouri.

"Guerrilla Hunters in Civil War Missouri", by James W. Erwin. Interesting account of the soldiers and militias which tried to quell the guerrilla war.

"Jesse James, Last Rebel of the Civil War", by T. J. Stiles. This book has information on the actions of Anderson's band which you might not find elsewhere. It's also in interesting account of the post war careers of the James brothers.

"Noted Guerrillas", by John Edwards. Flowery and tedious in some passages. Also frustrating because it's not indexed. Nevertheless, entertaining and potentially informative in some passages (I say that because you have to decide for yourself how much of what Edwards says on a given page is true and how much is embellished).

"The William H. Gregg Manuscript--'A Little Dab of History Without Embellishment' " by William Gregg, who fought
the covering rear guard action during Quantrill's retreat from Lawrence. This work is not published, but is available in the Missouri State Historical Society manuscripts collection. You can read it online here:
http://penningtons.tripod.com/charleythehorse2665-2.html

"The Babe of the Company", by Hamp Watts. Recollections of the writer's experiences with Anderson's company around Fayette, Missouri in 1864. You can read it online here:
http://statehistoricalsocietyofmissouri.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/amcw/id/15641

"The Story of Cole Younger, by Himself" by Cole Younger. I found this account to be utterly fascinating. Published after his prison term in Minnesota, when he no longer had anything to hide. It includes very good insights into the motivations of guerrilla soldiers.

"With Porter in North Missouri", by Joseph B. Mudd. Not guerrilla warfare, per se, but Porter's recruits were unable to cross the Missouri River and get to Confederate lines for a long time. Thus, they were forced to use guerrilla tactics.

Other resources:

http://www.mogenweb.org/cooper/Military/Jones_Letters.pdf
http://www.mogenweb.org/cooper/Military/Bloody_1864.pdf
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/history/jamesgang.htm
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mohoward/civil.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mohoward/cwpart2.html
http://history-sites.com/cgi-bin/bbs62x/mocwmb/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=16692
http://www.soldierstudies.org/index.php?action=browse_letters
http://shs.umsystem.edu/research/gu...compoundobject/collection/amcw/id/10829/rec/1
http://archive.org/stream/historyofcooperc00john/historyofcooperc00john_djvu.txt

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL23421097M/A_thrilling_record (the account of Sgt. Thomas Goodman--a survivor and captive after Anderson's Centralia massacre)

http://www.rulen.com/partisan/cent01.htm (interesting essay on guerrilla revolver picked up after Centralia fight)

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jrbakerjr/centralia/james-centralia.htm (battle of Centralia as told by Frank James)

http://www.thecivilwarmuse.com/

...and there's much more available. Good hunting!

 

[Booner]

Patrick h, Thank you very much.
It's a great list and I will print it out. I know I have a few of the books already, (in boxes here in Colorado, and some in boxes in my mother's basement in B-Ville), but this is turning out to be the move from H___. I was moving another load of furniture back to B-Ville last week when a wide load semi sideswiped my truck and put a long gash down the side of it--it'll probably get totaled. It's an older vehicle and will probably cost more to fix than it's worth.

I'm really looking forward to getting involved in the history in the area and am hoping to tap into your knowledge. One of my requirements in house hunting is it has to have a room I can turn into a library. If I hadn't purchased so many books over the years I probably could have retired year ago.

Apologies to all, way off topic.

Thanks again Patrick

 

[James N.]

I'm really looking forward to getting involved in the history in the area and am hoping to tap into your knowledge. One of my requirements in house hunting is it has to have a room I can turn into a library. If I hadn't purchased so many books over the years I probably could have retired year ago.

Booner, I used to wonder just exactly what it was that I collected: was it swords? Photographs? Civil War items? WWII? Napoleonic? Military miniatures? Toys? It wasn't until I moved that I found the answer: it was BOOKS! (Because in order to collect all those other things, you need reference material.)

 

[Patrick H]

Patrick h, Thank you very much.
It's a great list and I will print it out. I know I have a few of the books already, (in boxes here in Colorado, and some in boxes in my mother's basement in B-Ville), but this is turning out to be the move from H___. I was moving another load of furniture back to B-Ville last week when a wide load semi sideswiped my truck and put a long gash down the side of it--it'll probably get totaled. It's an older vehicle and will probably cost more to fix than it's worth.

I'm really looking forward to getting involved in the history in the area and am hoping to tap into your knowledge. One of my requirements in house hunting is it has to have a room I can turn into a library. If I hadn't purchased so many books over the years I probably could have retired year ago.

Apologies to all, way off topic.

Thanks again Patrick

Booner, you are entirely welcome. In particular, check out some of those links when you have a chance. There are many hours' worth of reading in those links and they're pretty interesting.

I'm glad you weren't injured in your accident with the big truck. It sucks to have your vehicle damaged, but at least vehicles can ultimately be replaced.

Straight ahead!

 

[leftyhunter]

I would be very interested in seeing your list on the COIN war in MO.

Patrick H as enough to get you started. I also have T.J. Stiles book and Erwins guerrilla hunters and Grey Ghosts of the Confederacy plus "war in the Ozarks'. I like Kirby Ross's version of the autobiography of Samual Hilderbrand because sometimes Hilderbrand is not always historically accurate although most of the time he is its published bt the Univ of Arkansas press.
1.Guerrilla warfare in Civil War Missouri, 1862 by Bruce Nickols Cumberland Press. Their is also a 1863 version and by now their may be an 1864 version. A must have!
2.The Civil war in Missouri Day by Day Carolyn Bartels two trails Publication. A lot less money the Nickols if you like illustrations Nickols can't be beat.
3."The Inside War the guerrilla conflict in Missouri during the American Civil War Michael Fellman Oxford Univ press. Lots of info .
4."A history of Southern Missouri and Northern Arkansas by William Monks 9who was aCol in the MSM) reprinted by general Books LLC
5."The devil knows how to ride the true story of William Clark Quantrill and his Confederate Raiders by Edward Leslie DA Capo Press.
These two books have chapters on the COIN war in Ark but their was quite a bit of spillover between Ark and Mo and the MSM spent a fair amount of time in Ark.
1. a question of Command Counterinsurgency from the Civil War to Iraq Mark Mowar The Yale Libary of Militay History
2."The Uncivil War irregular warfare in the upper South 1861-1865 Robert Mackey Univ of Oklahoma press. Both officers are former military officers.
No doubt their are other books as well no doubt the titles that Patrick H have would be valuable.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

I would be very interested in seeing your list on the COIN war in MO.

Their is another online book "3 and one half years in the Army or my life with the second Colorados' The 2nd Colo was one of the best COIN units and a few years ago perhaps today they have a rennactment group in Mo.
Leftyhunter

 

[Booner]

Lefty,
Thank you very must also for the list.

Between you and Patrick, I've got all the reading material I need for retirement!