McClellan "McClellan Letters"

I hold the same view as @Saphroneth does regarding the legitimacy of McClellan offering his views as to war policy with the Administration in the Harrison's Landing letter. He had to implement war policy and he was wholly within his rights to provide his views/perspective on it.

Whether you agree with its contents is another matter, of course.
Oh, I think it's questionable. As the ranking officer in the army (as Saph points out), he acknowledges that his comments were not "within the scope of my official duties." I've always got a chuckle about the timing. You'd think, with the whole 200,000 man Reb army threatening to destroy the key army of the Republic that he himself built, he might want to focus on solving that little problem. I mean, he tells the president that his "condition is critical" and that he is about to be overwhelmed or cut off, BUT, he somehow finds the time to write about government policy toward slavery. Riiigggghhhhhttt.
 
I'm pretty sure the slaves are still freed...
Not quite. Buying slaves in part or all of Maryland or Missouri is not the same as convincing the South to lay down its arms, after their leaders had repeatedly proclaimed how thoroughly their interests were aligned with slavery and after they had initial military success in the Eastern theater.
 
Oh, I think it's questionable. As the ranking officer in the army (as Saph points out), he acknowledges that his comments were not "within the scope of my official duties." I've always got a chuckle about the timing. You'd think, with the whole 200,000 man Reb army threatening to destroy the key army of the Republic that he himself built, he might want to focus on solving that little problem. I mean, he tells the president that his "condition is critical" and that he is about to be overwhelmed or cut off, BUT, he somehow finds the time to write about government policy toward slavery. Riiigggghhhhhttt.
Do you hold the same view regarding Butler's, Fremont's and Lyon's statements to the government regarding their larger views as to war policy? Or the multitude of others which could be mentioned?
 
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Well, let's see. Butler, being a politician, adopted a practice regarding contraband (escaped) slaves without attempting to dictate a specific broad policy on behalf of the Administration. Fremont clearly jumped the gun, and we know where that got him, and rightly so. As for Lyon, I assume you are referring to his "this means war" statement? While he was against slavery, I'm not familiar with any policy pronouncement he made directed towards slavery (as opposed to slaveholders). His approach in Missouri was certainly aggressive, and threatened the precarious situation with the Border states, but was military in nature. Ultimately, in a democratic republic, it is critical that the military subordinate itself to the civilian authority. When Little Mac admits - in his own words- that his suggestion was not within the scope of his official duties, I think that's a strong sign the line has been crossed. And, to get back to the point of the original post, the odd timing of this letter (I mean, what was he DOING about those 200,000 rebs ready to gobble up his army at any minute?) lends credence to rumor-mongering of the type McClellan faces. Nevertheless, I stand by my originally stated position that I don't see hard evidence of any letter sent by McClellan to Lee of this nature.
 
Do you hold the same view regarding Butler's, Fremont's and Lyons' statements to the government regarding their larger views as to war policy? Or the multitude of others which could be mentioned?
That's quite a list of guys who, to paraphrase Inspector Callahan at the end of Magnum Force, "didn't know their limitations".
 
Well, let's see. Butler, being a politician, adopted a practice regarding contraband (escaped) slaves without attempting to dictate a specific broad policy on behalf of the Administration. Fremont clearly jumped the gun, and we know where that got him, and rightly so. As for Lyon, I assume you are referring to his "this means war" statement? While he was against slavery, I'm not familiar with any policy pronouncement he made directed towards slavery (as opposed to slaveholders). His approach in Missouri was certainly aggressive, and threatened the precarious situation with the Border states, but was military in nature. Ultimately, in a democratic republic, it is critical that the military subordinate itself to the civilian authority. When Little Mac admits - in his own words- that his suggestion was not within the scope of his official duties, I think that's a strong sign the line has been crossed. And, to get back to the point of the original post, the odd timing of this letter (I mean, what was he DOING about those 200,000 rebs ready to gobble up his army at any minute?) lends credence to rumor-mongering of the type McClellan faces. Nevertheless, I stand by my originally stated position that I don't see hard evidence of any letter sent by McClellan to Lee of this nature.
I see McClellan as having been polite there.

No, both Fremont and Lyon had addressed the Government on their view that the Administration should permit more aggressive action against slavery from the Armies.

Well, the Confederate Army had been permitted to consolidate to a size which it would never attain again and the Army of the Potomac had been beaten back and was pulled back into a defensive position in order to ensure the security of the Army. We all know that McClellan's understanding of the size and of the Confederate Army was wrong.
 
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Again, without reading the letter, you are making an awfully huge leap about Mac's intentions. But if his goal was to restore the Union, then arguably he was doing his job. I dont see any implication that Mac was going impose this peace over the objections of Lincoln, other than marching the armies to DC. But its a huge leap to assume this necessarily would mean imposing a peace over Lincoln's objections.

And think what you will about McClellan, but I don't think there is any hint in any of his actions that he would take such a drastic step. Sure, he talked a big game in his letters to his wife. But looking at his actual actions, I think it does a great disservice to him to just assume that he was planning to commit treason.
If he had combined his forces with the south and marched peacefully with them on Washington, to me it would be like the Trojan Horse being taken to the walls as a gift.
Namely, I believe his son would have been questioned concerning this, as he was the Mayor of New York at this time of publication. I also believe if anything done in this incident is true, McClellan himself would have written a fully informative letter to his wife concerning it.
Lubliner.
 
If he had combined his forces with the south and marched peacefully with them on Washington, to me it would be like the Trojan Horse being taken to the walls as a gift.
Namely, I believe his son would have been questioned concerning this, as he was the Mayor of New York at this time of publication. I also believe if anything done in this incident is true, McClellan himself would have written a fully informative letter to his wife concerning it.
Lubliner.
I agree, although the one qualifier about Ellen is that nobody's seen the full originals for 1861-1862. Between McClellan's 1870's notebook recreating portions, and the added layer of work by Prime and by McClellan's daughter after he died, the "letters" we know today need a dose of skepticism. Overall I find this proposition pretty improbable for a host of reasons.
 
I agree, although the one qualifier about Ellen is that nobody's seen the full originals for 1861-1862. Between McClellan's 1870's notebook recreating portions, and the added layer of work by Prime and by McClellan's daughter after he died, the "letters" we know today need a dose of skepticism. Overall I find this proposition pretty improbable for a host of reasons.
Destroyed or altered documents!?! Hhmmmm. IIRC, didn't Styple point out that Thomas Key's will stipulated that all his papers be destroyed? Sometimes it's fun to take a break from serious history and enjoy a good conspiracy theory! Call John Grisham or Dan Brown!
 
I agree, although the one qualifier about Ellen is that nobody's seen the full originals for 1861-1862. Between McClellan's 1870's notebook recreating portions, and the added layer of work by Prime and by McClellan's daughter after he died, the "letters" we know today need a dose of skepticism. Overall I find this proposition pretty improbable for a host of reasons.
It seems more like a rumor, and Longstreet's comment seems to be about a rumor. There are so many contingencies that would have needed to be resolved, not the least of which was the Confederate government agreeing to reunification under any terms. They would have been agreeing to being a permanent minority, and completely dependent on the tolerance of the northern Democrats.
 
Destroyed or altered documents!?! Hhmmmm. IIRC, didn't Styple point out that Thomas Key's will stipulated that all his papers be destroyed? Sometimes it's fun to take a break from serious history and enjoy a good conspiracy theory! Call John Grisham or Dan Brown!
Absolutely. My point about the Ellen "letters", of course, is simply that what we see today for 1861-62 - Sears Civil War Papers, MOS, etc - is not the full originals. It's the closest we have but it's important to know that they've been "edited", starting with McClellan himself.
 
Oh, I think it's questionable. As the ranking officer in the army (as Saph points out), he acknowledges that his comments were not "within the scope of my official duties." I've always got a chuckle about the timing. You'd think, with the whole 200,000 man Reb army threatening to destroy the key army of the Republic that he himself built, he might want to focus on solving that little problem.
He did. He's secured the landing, and is following Lincoln's instructions to make the army safe and Lincoln will reinforce it.

"Make the army safe" - fulfilled. He's waiting for Lincoln to reinforce it.


It's certainly not within the scope of his official duties - but he's not required to spend all his time, day and night, engaged in his official duties. It would certainly have been well within Lincoln's rights to have opened the letter, read it then, and said "No".

But you seem to be advancing the position that there is no valid avenue by which any member of the US army can offer the President advice that is not strictly military, even unofficially - while, say, a newspaper can.


Well, let's see. Butler, being a politician, adopted a practice regarding contraband (escaped) slaves without attempting to dictate a specific broad policy on behalf of the Administration.
Perhaps this is a misunderstanding - McClellan is not "attempting to dictate" a policy on behalf of the Administration. He is recommending one; the use of terms like "should" is because he's saying "this is what should happen", but he makes clear that it's his opinion and a possible course of action.

In total and when summarized, this policy amounts to:

- Treat the individual citizens of the seceded states as US citizens (which they remain).
- This is a war, but that shouldn't mean that the US grants extra powers to the President and allows him to ignore existing laws.
- Private property should be protected. (This is basically advocating Wellington's policy towards civilians, as opposed to a policy of taking whatever you want - it doesn't refer solely to slaves.)
Then there's the section about slavery. I'll quote it in full before summarizing:

Military power should not be allowed to interfere with the relations of servitude, either by supporting or impairing the authority of the master, except for repressing disorder, as in other cases. Slaves, contraband under the act of Congress, seeking military protection, should receive it. The right of the Government to appropriate permanently to its own service claims to slave labor should be asserted, and the right of the owner to compensation therefor should be recognized. This principle might be extended, upon grounds of military necessity and security, to all the slaves of a particular State, thus working manumission in such State; and in Missouri, perhaps in Western Virginia also, and possibly even in Maryland, the expediency of such a measure is only a question of time. A system of policy thus constitutional, and pervaded by the influences of Christianity and freedom, would receive the support of almost all truly loyal men, would deeply impress the rebel masses and all foreign nations, and it might be humbly hoped that it would commend itself to the favor of the Almighty.

So basically:
- Soldiers should not either support the master or the slave in a master-slave relationship, except for preventing disorder ("As in other cases").
- Slaves who apply for military protection should get it.
- The Government can permanently appropriate slaves, with compensation (as with any other good taken into military service)
- We could do this to entire states (and he names several states under Union control).
- This avoids the need for new laws and demonstrates to both our own civilians and foreign nations that we're serious about what we're doing and the values we hold to.

This approach is basically a way to free slaves without violating existing law. It's part of the argument McClellan is making about how to treat civilians.

This is not the most radical pro-emancipation position, but it is notably not on one end of a continuum where the Emancipation Proclamation is on the other end. It is, for example, more liberationist in some respects than the historical Emancipation Proclamation, because it would free most of the slaves which the Union currently has under their control (the only exceptions being those in Delaware and possibly Kentucky) - in contested regions, slaves of rebels are contraband and could apply for military protection, while slaves of loyalists can be compulsorily purchased and manumitted. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't do that - instead, even a year later, Maryland slave owners could get the Fugitive Slave Act enforced in DC... so long as they were loyal.


McClellan then concludes by saying that it would be preferable for military reasons to avoid making a radical statement on slavery, and that it would be preferable for the Union to concentrate their effort rather than disperse it in garrisons.



The usual objection to this is that this demonstrates that McClellan was out of touch, and that "total war" was necessary. Personally I think such a claim (that total war was necessary) is difficult to prove, because of the "it happened, therefore it was necessary" fallacy - we know from more modern examples that an effective way to deal with a rebellion is a combination of "a high concentration of force" (which defeats the main force of the enemy and makes it clear that the legitimate authority is too strong to defeat) and "a conciliatory attitude to those who do not resist" (because that avoids making more enemies).

This is basically what McClellan is arguing for. Slavery gets a lot of the words in the letter because it is a flashpoint that touched off the war, of course.

So is this dictating a course of action? I don't think so. It's suggesting one, but McClellan is not acting without approval - he's suggesting a course of action that the President could officially adopt.

This is, I would submit, an approach more willing to submit to Presidential authority than, say, Butler, who acted.



It's also worth remembering that the events of the last few months had not exactly displayed a consistent US policy that McClellan was arguing to change. There wasn't one and he was arguing there should be, and suggesting an option.



1) the Contraband policy (April, 1861)
2) the Confiscation Act of 1861 (August, 1861)
2a) Reversal of Fremont's emancipation measures (September, 1861)
3) The Act Prohibiting the Return of Slaves (March, 1862)
4) Emancipation in the District of Columbia (April, 1862)
4a) Reversal of Hunter's emancipation measures (May, 1862)
4b) General Butler orders unemployed 'contrabands' expelled from Union Army lines in Louisiana (May, 1862)

5) Prohibition of Slavery in all current and future US territories (June, 1862)
 
Butler was the one at Fort Monroe claiming all Negroes to be contraband of war and therefore should be confiscated. This was not the policy at the time but became one.
Indeed - it's a comparison that bears consideration, because I don't see how one can say that McClellan is being more pushy than Butler. McClellan is suggesting something which would be within existing laws as a possible course of action; Butler just did something, despite how that granted the Confederates a status (belligerent) which the Union was trying not to grant, and certainly did so without asking for approval first.
 
The policy changes also include the first and only execution of a slave trader in February 1862. It includes a comprehensive co-operation treaty with Britain to put the British in control of suppressing the trans-Atlantic slave trade. And it includes the physical capture of the Confederate city with the most active market in coerced labor, New Orleans. It also includes the 2nd confiscation act in July 1862. It also included Lincoln's public letter that he will free none, some or all of the slaves, as best benefits the war effort.
Without the southern representatives in the House and Senate, the policy of the US towards slavery was rapidly changing.
I don't recall if General McClellan ever stated all he needed was a clear policy, which he would enforce with full enthusiasm. My recollection is that Grant made several comments along those lines.
 
The policy changes also include the first and only execution of a slave trader in February 1862. It includes a comprehensive co-operation treaty with Britain to put the British in control of suppressing the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
I would like you to explain your first sentence concerning the execution of a slave trader.

Using primary source material from the official records of the U. S. Navy, Volume 1, Page 11, I have a report of Commander Taylor commanding the USS Saratoga off the coast of North Africa. On April 21, 1861 he writes to the judge of U. S. District Court at New York City about capturing a slave trader, the 'Nightingale of Boston' on her stern. She had hoisted American colors. She was found to have a cargo of 961 slaves. He sent Lieutenant Guthrie with a prize crew to forward the clipper ship to New York with her cargo.
Very much appreciated,
Lubliner.
 

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