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JerseyBart

JerseyBart

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If I'm supposed to be getting a private mail or other notification, it's not happening.

I've seen the Matt Atkinson video with the junior union "soldier" a couple of times. Good thing, because I'll be flying back from Ohio (eldest grandson's wedding) that evening.

I'll see you all on the 7th, though!
 
MaryDee said:
If I'm supposed to be getting a private mail or other notification, it's not happening.

I've seen the Matt Atkinson video with the junior union "soldier" a couple of times. Good thing, because I'll be flying back from Ohio (eldest grandson's wedding) that evening.

I'll see you all on the 7th, though!
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Just that you've been tagged. Are you receiving that notification?
 
MaryDee said:
If I'm supposed to be getting a private mail or other notification, it's not happening.
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MaryDee said:
I get an alert that you've liked or responded to my post, nothing else.
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I did not even get that! But I saw the thread on the front page. Thank you, @JerseyBart for thinking of me!!

The Longstreet/Reconstruction video sure is very interesting, I hope to be able to watch it tomorrow.
@War Horse , @Eleanor Rose and @GELongstreet , did you see that?
 
War Horse said:
I did not! But I will be there now. Thank you. Don't you mean Monday night?
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I wished it would be Monday night, but I will be sleeping while you all are having fun! That miserable time difference...
No, I hope to watch the video on Sunday to be able to put the transcript in perspective,when we will hopefully get it once more. Looking forward to reading what you will have to say!
 
Just watched the video. Interesting, and I like the thought that Longstreet's lifetime friendship with Grant motivated him in parts to adopt Republican standpoints after the war.
And I liked the thought that at Appomattox not Lee and Grant became soul mates and made a first step towards a new beginning, but Grant and Longstreet.
But I must admit that I do agree with Augustus B. Longstreet, the General's uncle: those four letters he published in the newspapers were indeed a social suicide of sorts. One letter would have been impressive and thought provoking, four of them were just too much to swallow...

Looking for to reading your thoughts!
 
May 7:
May 7, 2018 at 9:29 AM - 2rivcob73: hey
May 7, 2018 at 8:57 PM - War Horse: Hi Everyone
May 7, 2018 at 9:20 PM - Pat Young: JB, Just wanted to make a point. It is good that you are putting up the monthly schedule. I think we should still also put up the old style the Friday before focused on the coming Monday's chat.
May 7, 2018 at 9:28 PM - JerseyBart: Checking in
May 7, 2018 at 9:28 PM - War Horse: Now I'm on time. Hi JB and Pat.
May 7, 2018 at 9:28 PM - JerseyBart: Ha! Hi war horse.
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - Pat Young: Hello all
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - Dom71: Good ebening folks!
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - JerseyBart: Let me post a quick reminder.
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - Pat Young: Glad War Horse is with us tonight
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - Dom71: whoops evening
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - JerseyBart: Hi pat and Dom.
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - MaryDee: Hi, everyone
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - Dom71: Hi JB, Pat
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - War Horse: Hi MaryDee
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - Dom71: Hi War Horse
May 7, 2018 at 9:30 PM - PeterT: Hello everyone
May 7, 2018 at 9:31 PM - War Horse: PeteT is in the house.
May 7, 2018 at 9:32 PM - JerseyBart: Hi Marydee and PeterT.
May 7, 2018 at 9:32 PM - JerseyBart: Let's get started
May 7, 2018 at 9:33 PM - Pat Young: Great
May 7, 2018 at 9:33 PM - War Horse: Sounds good.
May 7, 2018 at 9:33 PM - Pat Young: I was really happy this video was picked
May 7, 2018 at 9:33 PM - MaryDee: I found it quite interesting.
May 7, 2018 at 9:33 PM - Pat Young: I like Varon as a writer, and she covers interesting topics as a speaker
May 7, 2018 at 9:34 PM - JerseyBart: Told Longstreet's postwar problems well
May 7, 2018 at 9:34 PM - Dom71: He certainly became a polarizing figure
May 7, 2018 at 9:35 PM - Pat Young: I read two of the "revisionist" bios back a couple of decades ago, which really did not go into his postwar politics except to say that they led to distortions of his wartime record
May 7, 2018 at 9:35 PM - War Horse: He had many.
May 7, 2018 at 9:35 PM - Pat Young: I wondered about that
May 7, 2018 at 9:36 PM - Pat Young: I think a full book on Longstreet from April 1865 on would be pretty interesting.
May 7, 2018 at 9:36 PM - Dom71: it came across to me that he was trying to help pull the South back into the nation and accepting the situation was the way to start
May 7, 2018 at 9:36 PM - MaryDee: It certainly would, Pat
May 7, 2018 at 9:37 PM - War Horse: As do I, Pat. His letter to the press really got the negative ball rolling. His Uncle Augustus warned him not to send it, but he did anyway.
May 7, 2018 at 9:37 PM - Pat Young: He was basically in 1954 while Early was stuck in 1861
May 7, 2018 at 9:37 PM - JerseyBart: And that the south was having none of it
May 7, 2018 at 9:38 PM - Pat Young: War Horse that was a detail I did not know before
May 7, 2018 at 9:38 PM - Pat Young: It makes the claim that he was simply naive less convincing
May 7, 2018 at 9:38 PM - JerseyBart: Longstreet moved on and thought the south should too.
May 7, 2018 at 9:38 PM - Pat Young: He respected his uncle
May 7, 2018 at 9:38 PM - Pat Young: consulted him
May 7, 2018 at 9:38 PM - War Horse: At the time you had a very vocal and disgruntled majority and a very silent but active conforming party.
May 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM - Pat Young: knew there would be blowback
May 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM - Pat Young: and sent the letters anyway
May 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM - Pat Young: takes a lot of moral courage to do that
May 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM - War Horse: He loved his Uncle, Pat. They corresponded throughout the war.
May 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM - Dom71: it would make sense from his perspective i guess that the sooner they accept the deal the sooner they can rebuild and move on
May 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM - Dom71: but it seems the south wanted to still fight
May 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM - MaryDee: Agree--moral courage!
May 7, 2018 at 9:40 PM - War Horse: Yes, and he held his ground, regardless how unpopular they may have been.
 
May 7, 2018 at 9:40 PM - PeterT: We have been defeated, so how can we make the best of it
May 7, 2018 at 9:40 PM - Dom71: exactly
May 7, 2018 at 9:40 PM - Pat Young: Longstreet to South: Let's Move On
May 7, 2018 at 9:40 PM - War Horse: They did. They were forced to surrender arms, not their vision.
May 7, 2018 at 9:41 PM - JerseyBart: Maybe the south should have been given that option: conform or you can try to fight it out again
May 7, 2018 at 9:41 PM - War Horse: Lol, I believe they had that option JB. They are the ones that surrendered.
May 7, 2018 at 9:42 PM - JerseyBart: Their vision lost and should have died/beenn forced to die in reconstruction
May 7, 2018 at 9:42 PM - Dom71: it must have been a bad sight for him the south under military occupation.
May 7, 2018 at 9:43 PM - Dom71: unfortunatly JB they lost the piece after they won the war
May 7, 2018 at 9:43 PM - War Horse: Back to Longstreet. He did love the United States and hated to see the war come. He did not share his Uncles opinion that the Session was needed. When the War ended, he simply wanted it to mend as quickly as possible.
May 7, 2018 at 9:44 PM - JerseyBart: Sure did and Longstreet, partly his own doing, became part of the damage
May 7, 2018 at 9:44 PM - MaryDee: Not too sure about that--"Redemption" ultimately won.
May 7, 2018 at 9:45 PM - Dom71: do you think that part of his reasoning for his position after the war was a uilt for breking the oath?
May 7, 2018 at 9:45 PM - Dom71: gult
May 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM - Pat Young: I dont
May 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM - War Horse: Again, attrition ultimately forced the South to change their views. They simply couldn't survive on the revenue they could generate without funding from the north.
May 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM - MaryDee: I don't, either
May 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM - JerseyBart: Honest opinion based on what he saw during the war and a want to move on afterwards that some southerners could not handle
May 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM - War Horse: No, he was a large part of the cure. Others folllowed including Nathan Bedford Forrest.
May 7, 2018 at 9:50 PM - War Horse: His early post war life was humbling to say the least. Considering the situation, most people would have crumbled. Longstreet stuck to his beliefs and it toke a very long time before he say any financial benefit.
May 7, 2018 at 9:50 PM - Dom71: i didnt knowabout the New Orleans thing where he was captured
May 7, 2018 at 9:52 PM - War Horse: What do you think about the force that he led? And why do you suppose his captures didn't kill him when they had the chance? The most hated man in the south.
May 7, 2018 at 9:52 PM - MaryDee: It's a wonder they didn't string him up!
May 7, 2018 at 9:53 PM - Dom71: thats an interesting question I don't know
May 7, 2018 at 9:53 PM - Pat Young: Leading black men into battle was not looked upon kindly
May 7, 2018 at 9:53 PM - Pat Young: as we know
May 7, 2018 at 9:54 PM - War Horse: They couldn't bring themselves to do it MaryDee. Many of the White League served with him. He was not has wholeheartedly hated as history makes him seem.
May 7, 2018 at 9:54 PM - JerseyBart: Two or three times Mrs. Varon mentioned how Longstreet was seen as a traitor to his race.
May 7, 2018 at 9:55 PM - War Horse: Exactly Pat and still his captures did not kill him. That says something doesn't it?
May 7, 2018 at 9:55 PM - Dom71: She did say alot of them were his former soldiers
May 7, 2018 at 9:56 PM - JerseyBart: He was one of them. Even if they disapproved of his posted words and actions
May 7, 2018 at 9:56 PM - War Horse: Yet, he lived in the South, Worshiped in the south and worked in the south.
May 7, 2018 at 9:56 PM - Dom71: I guess more layers of the lost cause that have to be peeled back to get the truth
May 7, 2018 at 9:57 PM - War Horse: You have to remember the vocal politically motivated Southerners and the rank and file from from two different worlds
May 7, 2018 at 9:58 PM - JerseyBart: Postwar, not posted
May 7, 2018 at 9:59 PM - War Horse: ?
May 7, 2018 at 9:59 PM - JerseyBart: Typo
May 7, 2018 at 9:59 PM - Pat Young: I thought the presentation was thought provoking.
May 7, 2018 at 10:00 PM - Pat Young: See, Reconstruction history can be fun!
May 7, 2018 at 10:00 PM - Dom71: It's interesting how popular he became in the North\
May 7, 2018 at 10:00 PM - JerseyBart: Ha! Yes it can be.
May 7, 2018 at 10:00 PM - War Horse: Longstreet's criticism of Lee made him the perfect scapegoat.
May 7, 2018 at 10:01 PM - Dom71: lol
May 7, 2018 at 10:01 PM - PeterT: They could not (or did want to) blame Lee so Longstreet was fair game "It was his fault we lost and now he is one of them!"
May 7, 2018 at 10:01 PM - Dom71: definitly for Early
May 7, 2018 at 10:02 PM - PeterT: ... did NOT want to blame Lee
May 7, 2018 at 10:02 PM - JerseyBart: Took the heat off Early too.
May 7, 2018 at 10:02 PM - War Horse: Dare I say it? He wasn't a Virginian. There's more truth in those words that you may think.
May 7, 2018 at 10:02 PM - Dom71: yes I agree with that War Horse
May 7, 2018 at 10:03 PM - JerseyBart: Very true
 
May 7, 2018 at 10:03 PM - Dom71: center of the universe
May 7, 2018 at 10:03 PM - War Horse: Dang, Penn's just lost. :stomp:
May 7, 2018 at 10:03 PM - War Horse: Sorry guys.
May 7, 2018 at 10:03 PM - Dom71: was he a North Caroliniasn by birth?
May 7, 2018 at 10:04 PM - War Horse: South Carolinian. Edgefield district. Same as Strom Thurman.
May 7, 2018 at 10:04 PM - Pat Young: yikes
May 7, 2018 at 10:04 PM - Dom71: oh ok
May 7, 2018 at 10:05 PM - JerseyBart: Eek
May 7, 2018 at 10:05 PM - Pat Young: got to put my son to bed. Take care.
May 7, 2018 at 10:05 PM - War Horse: He moved to Augusta, GA at age 8 I believe.
May 7, 2018 at 10:05 PM - Dom71: goodnight Pat
May 7, 2018 at 10:05 PM - War Horse: Night Pat.
May 7, 2018 at 10:05 PM - JerseyBart: Goodnight Pat
May 7, 2018 at 10:06 PM - PeterT: Bye Pat
May 7, 2018 at 10:06 PM - MaryDee: Goodnight, Pat
May 7, 2018 at 10:07 PM - War Horse: I actually have some pretty strong evidence that Longstreet did live in Alabama for a while with his Father James Sr. and attended a prep school there as well.
May 7, 2018 at 10:08 PM - Dom71: so he moved around a bit
May 7, 2018 at 10:08 PM - PeterT: He saw more of the South than most Virginians
May 7, 2018 at 10:08 PM - Dom71: lol yes
May 7, 2018 at 10:09 PM - JerseyBart: But did he see Virginia?
May 7, 2018 at 10:09 PM - MaryDee: Would that be why he had an interest in helping out in the Western theater?
May 7, 2018 at 10:09 PM - War Horse: Not much, Augusta, GA is a very short distance from Edgefield. Maybe 7 miles. The Alabama move would have been a big one.
May 7, 2018 at 10:09 PM - Dom71: they saw more of Maryland and Pennsylvania than they did georgia or Alabama
May 7, 2018 at 10:09 PM - PeterT: I like how his young second wife fought hard for his reputation
May 7, 2018 at 10:09 PM - PeterT: Yes Dom
May 7, 2018 at 10:10 PM - Dom71: till 1962!
May 7, 2018 at 10:10 PM - War Horse: She did Peter. Both Louise and Helen were very special women in his life. Very different but both very special in their own way.
May 7, 2018 at 10:12 PM - Dom71: his friendship with Grant couldn't of helped him either
May 7, 2018 at 10:13 PM - War Horse: I think he felt, Longstreet felt the pressure on Virginia would lessen if the Western Theater (Namely Bragg) were having better fortunes. Forcing the Union to send troops from Virginia to deal with them. MaryDee.
May 7, 2018 at 10:13 PM - JerseyBart: Not likely
May 7, 2018 at 10:13 PM - War Horse: You could say it was a score point. Lol
May 7, 2018 at 10:14 PM - PeterT: Akin to friend with the devil in many Southern eyes
May 7, 2018 at 10:14 PM - JerseyBart: Helpful to have grant
May 7, 2018 at 10:14 PM - JerseyBart: As your friend
May 7, 2018 at 10:15 PM - War Horse: Let's face it. They were pre-war friends. What do friends do for one another? they help each other out as long as they agree with what their friend is doing. It was true then and is true now.
May 7, 2018 at 10:16 PM - Dom71: i think i remember reading in one of the Grant biographies that they ran into each other in St Louis before the war, when Grant was down and out.
May 7, 2018 at 10:16 PM - JerseyBart: Certainly it is but to many in the south he was the enemy
May 7, 2018 at 10:16 PM - JerseyBart: Even
May 7, 2018 at 10:17 PM - Dom71: Longstreet gave him money I beilieve
May 7, 2018 at 10:17 PM - JerseyBart: Though his surrender termsand actions were generous
May 7, 2018 at 10:17 PM - War Horse: Did Longstreet take advantage of Grants popularity and loyalty. YES he did. He had the choice of barley surviving or doing the best he could for himself and be active in the rebuilding of the Union.
May 7, 2018 at 10:18 PM - JerseyBart: He moved on. Others should have as well
May 7, 2018 at 10:18 PM - War Horse: Don, you are correct. Grant was down on his luck at the time. He (Grant) failed in everything other than the military.
May 7, 2018 at 10:20 PM - War Horse: Well guys, I've got to turn in. 4:30 AM comes early. First, I'm going to have a good cry, now that my Penguins have been defeated. Have a good evening everyone. That JB it was a great chat.
May 7, 2018 at 10:21 PM - Dom71: goodnight Warhorse, sorry about the pens
May 7, 2018 at 10:21 PM - JerseyBart: Thanks War horse for your contributions.
May 7, 2018 at 10:21 PM - War Horse: Typo JB, I meant "Thanks"
May 7, 2018 at 10:21 PM - JerseyBart: Probably a good time to call it.
May 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM - MaryDee: I need to go, too. Sorry I'll be gone for the next one. Thanks, JB, for an interesting topic!
May 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM - Dom71: ok as usual great topic good night all
May 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM - JerseyBart: Good night all. Thank you for joining me and see you next time.
May 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM - PeterT: Good night all! Enjoyed that as usual.
 
ami said:
I think a full book on Longstreet from April 1865 on would be pretty interesting.
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@Pat Young and @MaryDee and @War Horse : Not a full book, just 12 pages, not about his entire post war career, but an interesting read about Longstreet's New Orleans years:
General Longstreet in New Orleans (awarded the Loyola University History Award for Outstanding History Senior Thesis for the 2002-2003 Academic Year)
http://people.loyno.edu/~history/journal/documents/josh.PDF

Thank you all for letting me eavesdrop on this discussion. In my opinion one of the best I ever have read here. So much expertise! @War Horse , you really are the sitting expert on Longstreet here! What a wealth of knowledge! How fortunate we are that you host the Longstreet forum!!

Thank you all again, and I would give a lot to be part of these discussions!! And still 9 years to go until retirement... :frown:
But then, hah, my alarm will sound at 2:45 am on Monday nights! To quote the only two English words Sitting Bull was able to use: "You bet!!"
 
It appears that the alerts are now working; I got one today for @FarawayFriend's mention of me in the above post. I didn't do anything, so I suspect that our intrepid moderators and/or systems operators have done some tweaking.

I encourage everyone to watch the LRT video of Matt Atkinson with young Tanner, and participate in the May 21 chat. Unfortunately, I'll be on an airplane at the time.
 
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