Lost Confederate Gold

[Danny West]

Ok does anyone know the true story on the Confederate gold. Read could be several million or just a few thousand dollars depending on what you read & who wrote it.
Thanks

 

[USS ALASKA]

Sir, could depend upon which 'Lost Confederate Gold' one is referring to.
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Cheers,
USS ALASKA

 

[USS ALASKA]

There is the gold that was removed from NOLA to Columbus, Georgia in 1862 that was 'lost'.

There is the supposed hoard in Lake Michigan.

There is the supposed hoard in the American Southwest.

There are stories of 'lost gold' in Arkansas, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia...

Truth and fact seem hard to come by...

Cheers,
USS ALASKA

 

[Patrick H]

There are stories of 'lost gold' in Arkansas, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia...

What's the story on that "Missouri" Confederate gold? @Booner, @Boonslick and I would like to stumble across it! The gold, that is.
Seriously, suppose a significant stash of Confederate gold really does exist and is eventually found. Who would rightfully own it?

 

[Pollaco]

I like a good "lost treasure" story, which one?

 

[archieclement]

What's the story on that "Missouri" Confederate gold? @Booner, @Boonslick and I would like to stumble across it! The gold, that is.
Seriously, suppose a significant stash of Confederate gold really does exist and is eventually found. Who would rightfully own it?

For most people it would be finders keepers under lost/abandoned property laws......unless your one of those who believe the KGC still exists and is guarding it.....then it would belong to the KGC by the finders own admission...…...

Always best to keep it simple and anything you find, was found on your own property

 

[USS ALASKA]

I like a good "lost treasure" story, which one?

Indeed sir - seems like a lot of people do. Just a few of the books on this... Not including all the ones on the KGC...

Lost Treasures of the Ozarks: Missouri - Arkansas (America's Lost Treasures) (Volume 1) by Bud Steed

Buried Treasures of the Ozarks by W.C. Jameson

Lost Treasures of American History by W.C. Jameson

The Silver Madonna and Other Tales of America's Greatest Lost Treasures by W.C. Jameson

Lost Mines and Buried Treasures of Arizona by W.C. Jameson

Buried Treasures of Texas by W.C. Jameson

Buried Treasures of the American Southwest by W. C. Jameson

Lost Mines and Buried Treasures of Arkansas by W. C. Jameson

Lost Mines and Buried Treasures of Oklahoma by W. C. Jameson

Buried Treasures of the Appalachians by W. C. Jameson

New Mexico Treasure Tales by W. C. Jameson

Buried Treasures of the South by W. C. Jameson

Lost Mines and Buried Treasures of Tennessee (Lost Mines and Buried Treasures series) by W.C. Jameson

Lost Mines and Buried Treasures of Missouri (Lost Mines and Buried Treasures series) by W.C. Jameson

Lost and Buried Treasures of the Civil War by W.C. Jameson

Buried Treasures of the Ozarks and the Appalachians by W. C. Jameson

Buried Treasures of the Atlantic Coast by W.C. Jameson

Lost Treasures of Arkansas's Waterways: Hidden Mines, Buried Fortunes, and Civil War Artifacts by W.C. Jameson

Lost Mines and Buried Treasures of The Guadalupe Mountains by W.C. Jameson

Florida's Lost and Buried Treasures by W.C. Jameson, Deborah Kunzie

Treasure Legends of the Civil War by Charles A. Mills

Buried Treasures of the Civil War by W.C. Jameson and August House

Lost Mines and Treasure Tales of the Southeastern United States: Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina by Ivan Herring

Treasure Legends of Georgia by Charles A. Mills

Buried Treasures In The South by Roger Harrison

Knights' Gold: The amazing but true story of how two Baltimore boys in 1934 unearthed 5,000 gold coins hidden by a secret Confederate organization known as the Knights of the Golden Circle by Jack Myers
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Cheers and good reading!
USS ALASKA

 

[USS ALASKA]

Who would rightfully own it?

That is going to depend on a few things. First is who the gold belonged to. If it was the CSAG, then all their property reverts to the USG. If it was the property of an individual state, maybe the USG, maybe that readmitted state. Someones personal property would be fought over. Second is where it is found. If it is found on Federal property, it belongs to the USG. If it is found on State property, it depends upon the state. If found on private property, the fight begins...

The law of treasure trove in the United States varies from state to state, but certain general conclusions may be drawn. To be treasure trove, an object must be of gold or silver.Paper money is also deemed to be treasure trove since it previously represented gold or silver. On the same reasoning, it might be imagined that coins and tokens in metals other than gold or silver are also included, but this has yet to be clearly established. The object must be concealed for long enough so it is unlikely that the true owner will reappear to claim it. The consensus appears to be that the object must be at least a few decades old.

In one Pennsylvania case, a lower court ruled that the common law did not vest treasure trove in the finder but in the sovereign, and awarded a find of US $92,800 cash to the state. However, this judgment was reversed by the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania on the basis that it had not yet been decided if the law of treasure trove was part of Pennsylvania law.The Supreme Court deliberately refrained from deciding the issue.

U.S. Federal laws governing recovery of treasure are governed by the Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979, Under ARPA, "archaeological resources" more than one hundred years old on public lands belongs to the government.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_trove#Federal_law
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Cheers,
USS ALASKA

 

[archieclement]

That is going to depend on a few things. First is who the gold belonged to. If it was the CSAG, then all their property reverts to the USG. If it was the property of an individual state, maybe the USG, maybe that readmitted state. Someones personal property would be fought over. Second is where it is found. If it is found on Federal property, it belongs to the USG. If it is found on State property, it depends upon the state. If found on private property, the fight begins...

The law of treasure trove in the United States varies from state to state, but certain general conclusions may be drawn. To be treasure trove, an object must be of gold or silver.Paper money is also deemed to be treasure trove since it previously represented gold or silver. On the same reasoning, it might be imagined that coins and tokens in metals other than gold or silver are also included, but this has yet to be clearly established. The object must be concealed for long enough so it is unlikely that the true owner will reappear to claim it. The consensus appears to be that the object must be at least a few decades old.

In one Pennsylvania case, a lower court ruled that the common law did not vest treasure trove in the finder but in the sovereign, and awarded a find of US $92,800 cash to the state. However, this judgment was reversed by the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania on the basis that it had not yet been decided if the law of treasure trove was part of Pennsylvania law.The Supreme Court deliberately refrained from deciding the issue.

U.S. Federal laws governing recovery of treasure are governed by the Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979, Under ARPA, "archaeological resources" more than one hundred years old on public lands belongs to the government.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_trove#Federal_law
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Cheers,
USS ALASKA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost,_mislaid,_and_abandoned_property

Simply claim whatever found was found on your own property, and if large amount don't disclose how much was found, no proof or origin to any government then, besides selling off in small amounts with cash transactions has other obvious benefits

Do you want publicity or the money? I'd forgo the publicity for the money

Its really no one else's business what I find, and I arrowhead hunt, metal detect, relic/antique hunt

 

[2nd Dragoon]

I totally agree... Money over publicity.... Besides who needs the IRS and their sticky fingers in your pie.

 

[Pollaco]

Have y'all noticed how many of those books are by the same author? (Jameson) He found a "Gold Mine".

 

[Patrick H]

Well, heck, I'd like to find a "gold mine" too....one way or another.

 

[archieclement]

Well, heck, I'd like to find a "gold mine" too....one way or another.

What happened to Benjamin Lewis $5000 ransom? Anderson only has $600 on him at death, paper and gold.....Lewis ransom was supposed to mostly paper with over $1000 in silver.

 

[9thCavalry]

What's the story on that "Missouri" Confederate gold? @Booner, @Boonslick and I would like to stumble across it! The gold, that is.
Seriously, suppose a significant stash of Confederate gold really does exist and is eventually found. Who would rightfully own it?

Here ya' go, Patrick - if you find the mother-load you owe me a steak dinner...

 

[Patrick H]

I found another source today that claimed there is some lost Confederate gold and a few lost soldiers in a mine or cave that was blown shut during the war. This is supposed to be near Neosho, Missouri. That's a long way from Miller County, but...what the heck? If I've got to go to both places to find the gold, I guess that's as good a way to spend my retirement as any....

Benjamin Lewis's and Bill Anderson's graves are closer--not that there's any reason to believe the Lewis ransom is still with either of them.

 

[mofederal]

The flight of President Jefferson Davis and the government with the Confederate Treasury at the end of the war is one of the more serious stories of "lost" Gold and Silver. Some of the money were funds from Richmond's banks. I believe after having a read book about the story gold and silver was mostly paid out to various individuals mostly soldiers and CS government officials and others connected to it. The money actually lost were mostly in Mexican Silver Dollars. The book gave a pretty good accounting of where the gold. Actually what is left and lost is a lot of the silver, some US coins and the rest in pesos. The silver in today's dollars would be worth around $16 million. It may be buried in Danville, Va. Very little of the gold was actually "lost," although one family ended up with about $27,000 in gold bullion. What they did with it is unknown, when their house was recently renovated, a letter was found that confirmed the family had received $27,000 in gold bullion. The name of the book, is The Rebel and the Rose. I doubt that the book is the final answer to the mystery, because someone is always coming up with another story of the lost Confederate funds.

 

[Borderruffian]

it was loaded aboard CSS Texas, the Vessel was stranded up an African River which diverted its course over the years until it was a desert. The Vessel was found and Gold Recovered by Dirk Pitt, a popular documentary was made of the search also Clive Cussler wrote a book about it.

 

[GS]

I suspect that those treasure troves of Confederate gold fell promptly into the hands of its transporters, who fled the country, never to be seen again.

The greater treasure(s) are still to be found in the Southern dirt, where wives hid household silver and gold from the invaders. Many households were abandoned during the war, families fleeing on foot, and many never to be heard of again. A lot of surviving solders came home to an empty house, and were clueless to whereabouts of their greatest treasure, their family, if alive.

One of my family members, while installing plumbing, found a silver spoon in the ground under an old plantation house in Mississippi this month. The legend passed down stated that silver had been hidden somewhere on the property, but no one had found any evidence until this spoon surfaced in December 2018. Cool stuff indeed!

 

[Pollaco]

Now see, that makes sense.It happened in Mississippi, had it been in Louisiana Butler would have gotten it.

 

[archieclement]

The flight of President Jefferson Davis and the government with the Confederate Treasury at the end of the war is one of the more serious stories of "lost" Gold and Silver. Some of the money were funds from Richmond's banks. I believe after having a read book about the story gold and silver was mostly paid out to various individuals mostly soldiers and CS government officials and others connected to it. The money actually lost were mostly in Mexican Silver Dollars. The book gave a pretty good accounting of where the gold. Actually what is left and lost is a lot of the silver, some US coins and the rest in pesos. The silver in today's dollars would be worth around $16 million. It may be buried in Danville, Va. Very little of the gold was actually "lost," although one family ended up with about $27,000 in gold bullion. What they did with it is unknown, when their house was recently renovated, a letter was found that confirmed the family had received $27,000 in gold bullion. The name of the book, is The Rebel and the Rose. I doubt that the book is the final answer to the mystery, because someone is always coming up with another story of the lost Confederate funds.

there's a legend here of $1000 in gold and silver being buried here, but the whole story hinges on a slaves word