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William Robb

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Hello all,

Newbie here, I recently found out both my 2nd great grandfather fought with the union.

My grandfather William Preston Scott Robb 1833-1865 supposedly fought with a union calvary company during the Grierson's Raid that helped Grant take Vicksburg. He was captured and held at Cahaba and Andersonville prison camps. It is believed that he died from disease during his time as a prisoner of war. I've attached a photo of William along with a letter he wrote to my grandmother. I would love to find out more information regarding my grandfather.

My other grandfather John Cravener who I have little information on supposedly fought at the Appomattox Courthouse receiving a mortal wound an hour before Lee's surrender.

Any web links, or help would be SO greatly appreciated! Thanks so much, Matt 👍

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How wonderful that you have that letter! Do you have other information about your great great grandfather - birth date, birthplace, etc. That would help find him in records.
 
Welcome!
The National Park Service list two John Craveners



Find A Grave has an entry for a John Cravener in the 199th PA Inf.
Gives his death as April 16, 1865
Co. H, 199th Pennsylvania Infantry
Original Burial Place: Farmville
Died of wounds received at Fort Gregg

 
Welcome!
The National Park Service list two John Craveners



Find A Grave has an entry for a John Cravener in the 199th PA Inf.
Gives his death as April 16, 1865
Co. H, 199th Pennsylvania Infantry
Original Burial Place: Farmville
Died of wounds received at Fort Gregg


Thank you so much Mike! I believe that's him! 👍

According to Ancestry.com William Scott Robb served in Company (B) with the 7th Illinois Cavalry Regiment. He enlisted September 5th 1861 and was taken prisoner at (Coldwater Miss?) November 3rd 1863. He died in Wilmington, NC on March 12th, 1865. Anyone have information on Coldwater?
 
According to Ancestry.com William Scott Robb served in Company (B) with the 7th Illinois Cavalry Regiment. He enlisted September 5th 1861 and was taken prisoner at (Coldwater Miss?) November 3rd 1863. He died in Wilmington, NC on March 12th, 1865. Anyone have information on Coldwater?

The 7th Illinois Cavalry was one of the regiments assigned to the XVI Corps in Memphis for more than a year and patrolled the area from Memphis to LaGrange. They also participated in patrols and raids into Northern Mississippi at various times to capture Confederate units. They also were a diversion for Grierson's raid.
November 3rd, 1863 was the 2nd battle of Collierville, TN. CS Confederate General J. R. Chalmers raided Collierville twice to disrupt the railroad and capture supplies: 11 October and 3 November. On the first battle, the 7th Illinois Cavalry(part of the regiment) was camped north of town and their camp was over-run and all their supplies were captured and burned. On the 2nd battle--3 Nov-- the 7th Illinois Cavalry had their commander with them and were positioned inside the earth fort and armed with two mountain howitzers. They were aided by the 2nd Iowa Cavalry and a Tennessee unit. The Confederate attack was repulsed and they retreated back across the Coldwater River at Quinn's Mill.
So, the term "Coldwater" could refer to a town named Coldwater or it could be the river crossing at Quinn's Mill. These terms may have be used interchangeably by Union soldiers.

Attached is a Map---which I think is dated 1860-1880 or so. It shows the Coldwater River and the green box represents the approx location of Quinn's Mill and the crossing.
The town of Coldwater , marked with a Star, is located to the SouthWest. However, I just noticed another town labeled Coldwater that I've never seen---located just South of Collierville on the Tenn-Miss line(marked with Mauve Diamond). I have to research that one.
The Confederate's HQ was in Oxford. Their retreat would take them back either through Holly Springs or a little to the West. On the first raid, they traveled through Byhalia in both the advance to and retreat from Collierville. I don't think they would have gone as far West as Coldwater(the one in Miss) on either of the retreats. I don't have the details on their movement but it might be in some OR or records for the 7th ILL Cav. If the Tallahatchie River was flooded and they could not use the crossing due north of Oxford, then their path would have either diverted far to the East or West of the North/South route.

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Reports of Colonel Hatch, the brigade commander for the Battle of Collierville, 3 Nov 1863.

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"General George" refers to Confederated Colonel J. Z. George, commander of the 5th Mississippi Cavalry, my ancestor's regiment He had previously served as the Adjutant General for the State's militia.

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Some quotes from OR's.

This explanation comes from Confederate General Chalmers.

"… This was accomplished easily and in good order, each brigade forming alternately in rear of the other until we were out of reach of the enemy, when we moved slowly by the eastern road back to Quinn's Mill, and crossed Coldwater."
"… Received an order from General Chalmers to move around to the support of Colonel McCulloch, who by this time had become closely engaged by the enemy's left. Moving rapidly to the right, I took position in rear of Colonel McCulloch, who withdrew upon the Mount Pleasant road; thence on the road to Quinn's Mill, on Coldwater, the enemy pursuing us closely with two pieces of artillery."
"The enemy pursued us with his artillery and a small force on the road, while his cavalry moved down the western road and endeavored to cut us off, but did not succeed. The Seventh Tennessee
(CS) (Colonel Duckworth) was placed on that road to hold them in check until our column crossed."
"After Duckworth crossed the enemy came up to the river and opened a furious fire of small-arms, which was soon silenced by Captain Bledsoe with a few shots from his rifled gun, by which, it is said, he killed 7 men and 15 horses."


This is the Second Iowa Cavalry's description of the pursuit, and their meeting the Seventh Tennessee Cavalry(CS).

Lieut.-Col. Hepburn now mounted his command and gave chase, company "K," Capt. C. P. Moore commanding, taking the advance. The chase was exciting. It was ten miles to Cold Water, where the rebels, being reinforced, made their first stand. This entire distance was traversed by both parties on the gallop. Lieut. Jacob F. Bandy, commanded the advance platoon of company "K." He overtook the rear guard of the enemy at the edge of Cold Water bottom, where they had attempted to make a stand.

Our boys charged after the retreating foe until they came face to face with the main line of battle, which the enemy had by the aid of reinforcements been able to form on the bank of Cold Water creek. The skirmish line was on the north side of the stream, which was the side from which Bandy was advancing, while their main line was on the south side. As the creek was very difficult to cross, this gave the enemy great advantage. As it was now after dark, Bandy with his platoon of sixteen men ran up to within ten or fifteen steps of the rebel line before he discovered them. He was not long left in ignorance as to their position, however, for no sooner had he attained this distance, than he was received by a volley from the entire line of several thousand; but fortunately their aim was too high and no one was hurt, while the light made by the flash of the guns, revealed the situation and force of the enemy. Although Bandy had but sixteen men, while the enemy were numbered by thousands, he did not give back, but springing from the horses, the boys took shelter behind trees, logs and stumps, and awaiting the fire of the enemy's guns to give them light, they used their carbines to a good purpose, while the main force was formed and sent up to their support. For an hour the fighting was sharp, each side firing at the blaze of the others guns, when finding that nothing could be gained by continuing the contest, Hepburn ordered the forces to be withdrawn. Capt. Chas. C. Horton was wounded in this action. The forces fell back to the first plantation and camped for the night.

The next morning Hatch came up with the balance of the brigade, and the pursuit was continued until the enemy reached the south side of the Tallahatchie
(River), after which the brigade returned by way of La Grange, where they remained for several days. The Federal loss in this campaign was five killed, twelve wounded and twenty missing. The enemy left forty-one dead on the field, and we captured fifty prisoners; their wounded could not fall short of 200. Among the prisoners were eight commissioned officers, including one Brigadier General$. We found our camp equipage at Colliersville, which place we reached on the 14th of November, 1863.

$ - Again, Union reports are confusing Colonel George as being a General.
The Tallahatchie River was the "boundary" for the Confederate forces, located between Holly Springs and Oxford. During winter and flood stages, this river had few places to cross. In the 1900's, the river was dammed to form the Sardis Lake.
 
I think somewhere I have information as to which companies of the 7th Illinois Cavalry were camped north of Collierville during the first battle of 11 October. I don't know if I ever found out where the major portion of the 7th Illinois Cavalry were. They were probably on patrol because the Union HQ's knew that the Confederates were approaching and skirmishing from Holly Springs to Byhalia, including the town of Salem which no longer exists. It would be interesting to find where each company was so we could see how your ancestor's Company B participated in this battle.

First, this is a report from the Confederate regimental commander about the attack on the north side of town.

"At Collierville, on the 11th, I was ordered by Col. McGuirk, commanding, to move with my regiment across the Mount Pleasant road through the fields, to cross the Memphis and Charleston Railroad 1 mile east of Collierville, to take position on a hill northeast of town. I proceeded according to orders, over very rough ground until the head of the column crossed the railroad. I galloped to the front to the top of a knoll and discovered a mounted picket of about 20 men, who opened fire on me. I ordered a charge, when the enemy retired, closely pursued by the foremost squadron of my command.
My intention was to charge their camp and take them while in confusion, but when within 75 yards of camp the enemy opened a scattering fire. My men stopped to fire and ruined everything. I immediately ordered the regiment to dismount and charge on foot, which was done, I am proud to say in gallant style. The enemy made a short resistance and fled, closely pursued by the men of both regiments, capturing a good many prisoners, but I am not able to say how many were captured by my regiment, as the prisoners captured by both regiments were sent off together. I was ordered by the colonel commanding to burn the camp and property that could not be got away (a large amount), which was executed."

"There were at least 50 wagons on the camps. I sent out 18 and 1 ambulance. The Yankee wagon-master reports 150 mules and about 100 head of horses. All this property was carried out except the overplus of wagons, which were burned. There was about 200 tents in the encampment, which were crowded with all that could make soldiers comfortable."


Major Henry C. Forbes
, of the 7th​ Illinois Cavalry, reported the results of the 11 October battle:

"Preceding the attack there had been skirmishing on the infantry pickets south of the station(assume RR depot) for an hour, of which we had received no intimation. We were accidentally informed of the approach of the enemy, when disposition was immediately made to receive him with our camp force of about 200 men, consisting of men off duty on account of sickness, detail, being dismounted, unarmed, &c. Our line was scarcely formed when the pickets from the east were hastily driven in, and immediately the enemy was attacking. We received his attack with a line of dismounted men, which gallantly repulsing him, was itself repulsed in turn by his reserves, and after a few minutes further contest, and receiving an attack from formations on both flanks of our position, against which we had no reserve to use, we found ourselves compelled to retire from under a cross-fire, becoming intolerable, and rendering further contest on the ground hopeless. We accordingly withdrew, skirmishing through the camp toward the Wolf(River), sacrificing it in the belief that the preservation of the command had become a duty paramount to all others. A portion of the enemy pursued us to the river, picking up disabled and dismounted men who had been unable to regain their horses, and a portion remained to fire and pillage the camp, which they did in fine style."

"An hour later after a reconnaissance of the enemy's position, we repossessed our ground, finding about two-thirds of our camp and garrison equipage destroyed, the entire regimental and the greater part of the company records burned, and the enemy rejoined to the force which meanwhile had engaged the infantry forces at the fort.
… We lost about 100 mules and 14 wagons. Of arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, there has not yet been an inspection sufficiently minute to determine the exact loss."
"Of the number of our wounded we are not apprised, as they were removed by the enemy. Together with other prisoners they aggregate 49 men."
 
Oh, I was wrong about Grierson's raid— the 7th Illinois Cavalry did participate in the entire raid. The regiment lost Colonel Prince and Lt-Col Blackburn at the fight of Walls Bridge.

It was Colonel Hatch and his 2nd Iowa Cavalry that acted as a diversion and fought a running battle back to LaGrange.
 
Oh, I was wrong about Grierson's raid— the 7th Illinois Cavalry did participate in the entire raid. The regiment lost Colonel Prince and Lt-Col Blackburn at the fight of Walls Bridge.

It was Colonel Hatch and his 2nd Iowa Cavalry that acted as a diversion and fought a running battle back to LaGrange.

Thank you SO much DixieRifle for the great information!!!!! Now I just need to find myself a 1861 Cavalry saber for my collection. 😁
 

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