Lincoln (2012)

[K Hale]

Wondering if this film would have entertainment value for someone not especially interested in history (like my wife)?

Yes. It's a story of what one is willing to do to compromise one's principles to accomplish what needs to be done.

 

[CSA Today]

"Look what Hollywood has done to Lincoln."
A review of the Lincoln movie

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/look-what-hollywood-has-done-to-lincoln-now/?cat_orig=diversions

"Then came the Black-Hawk war; and I was elected a Captain of Volunteers, a success which gave me more pleasure than any I have had since."
December 20, 1859 – Abraham Lincoln's Autobiography

 

[rickvox79]

http://lhm1865.tumblr.com/

A nice article there about a rare 13th amendment engraving that the Lincoln Heritage Museum is displaying at the moment.

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[CharacterGroove]

If we don't have record of most verbal conversations that took place between people, as you correctly pointed out, how would you know if the meeting between Lincoln and the soldiers, as shown in the movie, never took place? Can you explain why you feel it's "unlikely that ever happened?"

I don't know. There are many things we'll never know. That's not to say that, based on what we do know, some things are more likely than others to have happened. Really, that's historiography in a nutshell.

Because the Gettysburg Address became lore in the decades following the war, I'm skeptical that 3 soldiers could recite it 1.5 years later like that. I could be wrong. Unless some evidence pops up, we'll never know if something like that happened. But knowing something and finding its existence likely are two separate issues.

 

[K Hale]

"Look what Hollywood has done to Lincoln."
A review of the Lincoln movie

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/look-what-hollywood-has-done-to-lincoln-now/?cat_orig=diversions

"Then came the Black-Hawk war; and I was elected a Captain of Volunteers, a success which gave me more pleasure than any I have had since."
December 20, 1859 – Abraham Lincoln's Autobiography

Some people are just never going to be satisfied, are they? They complain about hagiography, then they complain about moral ambiguity. I've got a Facebook friend whose stated objection to the film -- I'm not making this up -- is that "It's about Lincoln."

 

[rpkennedy]

Some people are just never going to be satisfied, are they? They complain about hagiography, then they complain about moral ambiguity. I've got a Facebook friend whose stated objection to the film -- I'm not making this up -- is that "It's about Lincoln."

All I had to read in the review was "The film's constant focus on slavery also seems to reinforce the popular misconception that the War Between the States was 'all about slavery...'"

R

 

[lakertaker]

Some people are just never going to be satisfied, are they? They complain about hagiography, then they complain about moral ambiguity. I've got a Facebook friend whose stated objection to the film -- I'm not making this up -- is that "It's about Lincoln."

Gotta admit though, it takes some guts to make a movie about Lincoln as viewed from a current, popular box office attraction perspective. Only Spielberg, and perhaps, a few others could pull it off. As it was, it finished a distant third behind the new Twilight Sage movie ($21 million compared to $141 million).

 

[AndyHall]

Some people are just never going to be satisfied, are they? They complain about hagiography, then they complain about moral ambiguity. I've got a Facebook friend whose stated objection to the film -- I'm not making this up -- is that "It's about Lincoln."

If this is the person I'm thinking of, she said that "the movie Lincoln disappoints Lincoln fans. As it turns out the movie isn't much about slavery, but about Lincoln." No, I don't know what that means, either.

She also recently claimed (without citing a source, naturally) that people interested in the USCT were also disappointed, because USCTs are not included in it. I mean, lookit -- I understand the whinging and sulkiness and carping from folks who haven't actually seen the movie, despise Lincoln and can't stand that the film is even being made; that's par for the course. But are they boycotting watching the trailers, too?

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Guess so.

 

[BillO]

Some people are just never going to be satisfied, are they? They complain about hagiography, then they complain about moral ambiguity. I've got a Facebook friend whose stated objection to the film -- I'm not making this up -- is that "It's about Lincoln."

Works for me.

 

[CharacterGroove]

Did you see the movie, CSA Today? What are your thoughts?

 

[Bryan_C]

All I had to read in the review was "The film's constant focus on slavery also seems to reinforce the popular misconception that the War Between the States was 'all about slavery...'"

R

I'm thoroughly convinced that there are some people, that even if you pointed a gun to their head and showed them documented evidence that Southern secession and Confederate war was about nothing else but the preservation of Black slavery, they would still refuse to believe the war was fought because of slavery.

 

[rpkennedy]

I'm thoroughly convinced that there are some people, that even if you pointed a gun to their head and showed them documented evidence that Southern secession and Confederate war was about nothing else but the preservation of Black slavery, they would still refuse to believe the war was fought because of slavery.

I agree wholeheartedly, Bryan.

R

 

[CSA Today]

Did you see the movie, CSA Today? What are your thoughts?

It hasn't made its way here yet, I'll probably have to see it on video or go to Fayetteville – about 40 miles north of here. I would like to see it when it is available.

"The history of the United States should be written by a Northerner and "from the Northern point of view...because the Northern point of view is, in the main, the correct view," and that, while sincerity must be allowed the Southern people and their leaders, "not one scintilla of justification for secession and rebellion must be expected. The South must acknowledge its error as well as its defeat."
John W. Burgess, Dean of the Faculty of Political Science, Columbia University, 1897."

 

[CharacterGroove]

I thoroughly recommend it. Perhaps it's even worth an autumn weekend drive north. It's one of those movies that, for history lovers like us, only comes out once a decade.

 

[CSA Today]

I thoroughly recommend it. Perhaps it's even worth an autumn weekend drive north. It's one of those movies that, for history lovers like us, only comes out once a decade.

Given what passes for accurate history these days I'm a little wary of the movie –from the reviews I read, it sounds like something Carl Sandberg would have written.

"The history of the United States should be written by a Northerner and "from the Northern point of view...because the Northern point of view is, in the main, the correct view," and that, while sincerity must be allowed the Southern people and their leaders, "not one scintilla of justification for secession and rebellion must be expected. The South must acknowledge its error as well as its defeat."
John W. Burgess, Dean of the Faculty of Political Science, Columbia University, 1897."

 

[K Hale]

All I had to read in the review was "The film's constant focus on slavery also seems to reinforce the popular misconception that the War Between the States was 'all about slavery...'"

R

A film about the 13th amendment focused on slavery? NO WAY!

 

[K Hale]

I'm thoroughly convinced that there are some people, that even if you pointed a gun to their head and showed them documented evidence that Southern secession and Confederate war was about nothing else but the preservation of Black slavery, they would still refuse to believe the war was fought because of slavery.

In the film, the Alexander Stephens character tells Lincoln that if the 13th passes and slavery is eliminated, all these changes will take place in the south with the result that "We won't know ourselves."

Indeed, that is precisely what happened... Their descendants do not know them.

 

[CharacterGroove]

CSAToday

Well, I guess my first advice is to read reviews from more legitimate sources. But I only know one that you found noteworthy. But regardless of what your trusted sources have said, there's no reason to be wary.

 

[CSA Today]

CSAToday

Well, I guess my first advice is to read reviews from more legitimate sources. But I only know one that you found noteworthy. But regardless of what your trusted sources have said, there's no reason to be wary.

When I see the movie I'll judge for myself –I always do.

"I salute the Confederate Flag with affection, reverence
and undying devotion to the Cause for which it stands."

The Sons of Confederate Veterans Salute
to the Confederate Flag

 

[Gandycreek]