Collection Just a few Remington's

[Papabyrd]

I added another Remington 36 caliber model 1861 to my collection Saturday. It's in great condition but no original finish just brown patina. I had the Remington Beal 36 caliber and the New Model 44 also the Remington Beal 31 caliber pocket pistol.
The New Model 44 has inspector marks all over it. It has the letters W on the left side of the barrel next to the frame C on the right
C on both sides of the frame next to the barrel and the letter J on the frame just under the hammer on the left side. No question it was military. But the 1861 36 caliber only has a M on the back of the trigger guard on the left side. Would this be a military mark or a Remington mark? The Remington Beal 36 caliber has no markings except the name and address on the barrel. Thought you guys might like to see these.

I almost forgot this little guy is a Remington. its a Remington Elliot Derringer 32RF some call it a ring trigger. You push the ring forward and this cocks the action then you pull it back to fire it. Every time you push the trigger forward it rotates the firing pin to the next barrel. Sharps and Starr had pocket pistols that worked almost the same way.

 

[Bonedaddy]

Good looking collection Thanks for showing.

 

[JOHN42768]

Interesting, thanks

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

Thanks for the pictures of those great revolvers. Is there any difference in size of the 1861 36 cal. frame in comparison to a 44?
I love old Remingtons - they were way better than the Colts!

 

[Seduzal]

Wow! What an awesome collection. Thanks for sharing.

 

[bankerpapaw]

I added another Remington 36 caliber model 1861 to my collection Saturday. It's in great condition but no original finish just brown patina. I had the Remington Beal 36 caliber and the New Model 44 also the Remington Beal 31 caliber pocket pistol.
The New Model 44 has inspector marks all over it. It has the letters W on the left side of the barrel next to the frame C on the right
C on both sides of the frame next to the barrel and the letter J on the frame just under the hammer on the left side. No question it was military. But the 1861 36 caliber only has a M on the back of the trigger guard on the left side. Would this be a military mark or a Remington mark? The Remington Beal 36 caliber has no markings except the name and address on the barrel. Thought you guys might like to see these.
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Very nice!!

 

[plymouthairrifle]

That Beals looked so interesting I had to look it up. Here is a link to a very good article on the Beals.

Thanks for posting the photos!

Remington's first percussion revolver: the 1st model Beals - capandball.eu

In the 1850’s Colt ruled the revolver market. His patent protecting the reliable Colt style cylinder locking mechanism ensured that the well-advertised Colt revolvers dominated both the civilian and military market. Colt, or as he apostrophe himself Colonel Colt was a good business man...

capandball.com

 

[MRB1863]

Nice treasures!

 

[UCVRelics]

Nice looking group. Thanks for sharing them with us.

 

[Papabyrd]

Thanks for the pictures of those great revolvers. Is there any difference in size of the 1861 36 cal. frame in comparison to a 44?
I love old Remingtons - they were way better than the Colts!

Jim in Wis. If you lay the 36 on top of the 44 the outside dimensions are about the same. The big difference is the cylinder and inside the frame where the cylinder rides. The inside the frame on the 36 cal. is 1.538 and the cylinder is 1.493. The 44 is 1.670 inside the frame and 1.622 on the cylinder. The 36 has a 73/8 barrel and the 44 has a 8 inch barrel. So the 36 is about 1/2 inch shorter.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

Interesting, and a little confusing. The Uberti reproductions have cylinders that are 2 inches long in 36 and 44, and my "Remington Handguns" book by Charles Karr says they are 2 inches also.
On your 44 with the letter "C", that can stand for condemned - a part that was rejected or maybe the whole gun because of some defect the inspector found. I suppose there are other meanings for the letter though.

 

[Papabyrd]

Interesting, and a little confusing. The Uberti reproductions have cylinders that are 2 inches long in 36 and 44, and my "Remington Handguns" book by Charles Karr says they are 2 inches also.
On your 44 with the letter "C", that can stand for condemned - a part that was rejected or maybe the whole gun because of some defect the inspector found. I suppose there are other meanings for the letter though.

That was the diameter of the cylinders not the length.
Both the cylinders are 2 inches long.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

Oh - that clears that up! Thanks.
I was interested in seeing how accurate the reproductions are made. The cylinders on them are the same diameter, so that part they didn't get right.
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