Joseph B. "Scrap" Young, Quantrill Raider

[TomSawyer]

Hello,

I am trying to research and find any information on a 4th great grandfather of mine, Joseph B. "Scrap" Young. I can find just mention that he was a Quantrill Raider, but that is about the extent of it. Not able to find anything more than just his name basically on several rosters of known Quantrill members. I have seen a small snippet where he was mentioned to be involved in the capture of Lt. Reuben Randlett at Aubry, but nothing solid. He ended up in Batesville, Arkansas where he died and is buried. Any help, direction, or information on this would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Story]

Hello,

I am trying to research and find any information on a 4th great grandfather of mine, Joseph B. "Scrap" Young. I can find just mention that he was a Quantrill Raider, but that is about the extent of it. Not able to find anything more than just his name basically on several rosters of known Quantrill members. I have seen a small snippet where he was mentioned to be involved in the capture of Lt. Reuben Randlett at Aubry, but nothing solid. He ended up in Batesville, Arkansas where he died and is buried. Any help, direction, or information on this would be greatly appreciated.

So you have a FindAGrave entry? Posting that - with any dates of birth and death - help others to help you.

 

[TomSawyer]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18985510/j-g-young Born November 1, 1842 - Died October 10, 1903...I think his full name was Joseph Benjamin Gibson Young

 

[lupaglupa]

I do see a Joseph Young listed as serving under Quantrill with the information you include about Lt. Aubry. It's always a challenge with a name as common as this to link someone to records by name without good secondary clues. What led you to believe that your ancestor was the Joseph Young who rode with Quantrill?

 

[TomSawyer]

Just something I've always been told by elder family. There was actually a local newspaper article on him several years back that made mention of it but I've not been able to find it.

 

[lupaglupa]

Family stories like that often have a basis in truth so they are great starting points for research. There are a couple of ways you can look for documentation, if you want to have something more than the scant records you have now. I would start with looking for records from your ancestor's life. Did he apply for a pension based on his service? Did he belong to any kind of a veteran's association? A number of the men who joined Quantrill had prior service with the CSA and your ancestor may be one of those.

Another way to prove an association is to disprove it. Is there another Joseph Young who has shown he served with Quantrill? If there is someone out there with records showing they are that Joseph then it's reasonable to assume your Joseph isn't that man.

It's not uncommon for us to find families have remembered a story but added to it a bit over the years. For instance, your ancestor could have been part of a partisan raider unit during the War, which was not uncommon. As time went by his children and grandchildren could have gone from remembering that "he served with a unit of raiders" to remembering that "he served with Quantrill's raiders" because that's the most famous raider unit they had heard of.

 

[Story]

Just something I've always been told by elder family. There was actually a local newspaper article on him several years back that made mention of it but I've not been able to find it.

Searching variations of his name - particularly in obituaries around the time of his death - might be a good way to retrace your steps to that article.

 

[Nathan Stuart]

The below extract reproduced briefly mentions the involvement of Joseph B. 'Scrap' Young in the apprehension of 2nd. Lt. Reuben A. Randlett , Co. A, 5th KS., at Aubry, Kansas on Mar. 7, '62.

Randlett was staying overnight in a village tavern at Aubry enroute returning from sick leave to rejoin his command. On the morning of Mar. 7, Quantrill and forty of his band surrounded the tavern. After freely surrendering and voluntarily handing his revolver to a guerrilla inside the tavern office, Randlett was taken outside where the following described incident occurred .

…"He was led out on the porch and turned over to two guerrillas found there. They swore horribly, one thrusting the muzzle of his pistol into Randlett's mouth (this was Joe Young, after the war a printer at Kansas City) and the other holding a revolver at his ear."….

(Source- 'Quantrill and the Border Wars' by William Connelley, at page 226)

Got the impression, not only by the company he kept, but also by the above account of his displayed behavior, that Young was quite a mean and nasty fellow.

Below is also a link to view a photograph of Sgt. Joseph B. 'Scrap' Young taken in Nov. '63.

( Home - Sgt Joseph B. "Scrap" Young (canteymyerscollection.com) )

 

[Story]

Well, there's another rabbit hole to explore.

(this was Joe Young, after the war a printer at Kansas City)

 

[marktwainenjoyer]

Off topic but I love your username.

(Also, you are really going to love some stuff I'm writing!)

 

[observator]

Randlett was with John Brown in Bleeding kansas and lived to age 95

Reuben A Randlett (1837-1932) - Find a Grave...

Topeka Daily Journal, 8 March 1932, p.12 Reuben Randlett Dead--Civil War Veteran was one of the oldest Odd Fellows in U.S. Reuben A. Randlett, 94, veteran of the Civil war and said to be the oldest member of the I.O.O.F. lodge in the United States, died at his home, 2607 Lincoln street, early...

www.findagrave.com

 

[Quantrill's Missouri]

One very important fact I learned very early on in researching men with Quantrill was some men were not Quantrill guerrillas, but did ride with Quantrill and/or Anderson. Meaning they weren't in the core guerrillas (Todd, Poole, the George bros, James bros., etc., etc.) but they rode on one or maybe two raids or fights, departed Quantrill, and later in life said they "rode" with Quantrill. Technically, it's true, but then they fell into lore being actual Quantrill guerrillas because they never clarified it was very brief and they were never "in" the guerrillas in the first place.
A couple hundred were Quantrill guerrillas. But, a few hundred "rode" with Quantrill.

 

[Borderruffian]

WCQ and in fact none of the Partisan bands kept good paper records of engagements let alone sent Morning Reports to Higher many Partisans attached at irregular intervals and then detached only attach again later.

 

[infomanpa]

And then there was Solomon Young, who was Harry Truman's grandfather.

 

[52ndFandS]

And then there was Solomon Young, who was Harry Truman's grandfather.

I've heard Truman called the 2nd President of the Confederacy.

 

[Quantrill's Missouri]

And then there was Solomon Young, who was Harry Truman's grandfather.

His son, William Young, was with Upton Hays 12 Missouri Cav. Hays went into Westport, Missouri with three of Quantrill's men, Boone Muir, Cole Younger and Dick Yeager, along with two of his own men, Young and Virgil Miller, where they got into a fight with approximately 50 Feds. Pages 94, 95 of "Noted Guerrillas." William is in Kansas City's Elmwood Cemetery.

 

[Quantrill's Missouri]

His son, William Young, was with Upton Hays 12 Missouri Cav. Hays went into Westport, Missouri with three of Quantrill's men, Boone Muir, Cole Younger and Dick Yeager, along with two of his own men, Young and Virgil Miller, where they got into a fight with approximately 50 Feds. Pages 94, 95 of "Noted Guerrillas." William is in Kansas City's Elmwood Cemetery.

PVT William Andrew Young (1841-1916) - Find a...

Maternal Uncle of U.S. President Harry S. Truman.Enlisted into Capt. Lee Mill's Co., Rossen's Regiment, Raines Brigade, thence Co. E, 12 MO Cav., CSA. Wounded twice during service. Resided in the MO Confederate Veterans Home from 1904-1907. Member UCV.

www.findagrave.com

 

[Quantrill's Missouri]

PVT William Andrew Young (1841-1916) - Find a...

Maternal Uncle of U.S. President Harry S. Truman.Enlisted into Capt. Lee Mill's Co., Rossen's Regiment, Raines Brigade, thence Co. E, 12 MO Cav., CSA. Wounded twice during service. Resided in the MO Confederate Veterans Home from 1904-1907. Member UCV.

www.findagrave.com

I got him that stone.

 

[52ndFandS]

I got him that stone.

!!!

 

[Story]

WCQ and in fact none of the Partisan bands kept good paper records of engagements let alone sent Morning Reports to Higher many Partisans attached at irregular intervals and then detached only attach again later.

If I was scripting a NETFLIX treatment, morning roll calls would have been a spectacle of obscenities.

[For those of you who have never experienced it, the more formal roll calls are conducted in formation by the First Sergeant - who reads through his roster alphabetically and each man is to respond *present*. Somehow, I think that was different with these fellows]