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A dramatic short film about the last meeting between old friends Frederick Douglass and abolitionist John Brown, where Brown tries to enlist the former slave to take up arms against the slave states.

 

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Frederick Douglass accompanied by ex-slave Shields Green met John Brown at a stone quarry outside of Chambersburg PA, Aug. 19-21, 1859, and discussed Browns plans to raid the federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry. He urged Douglass to join an armed demonstration against slavery. Douglass refused, warning the raid would fail; the Oct. 16, 1859 attack conformed his fears. Brown was captured with his surviving followers and was executed Dec. 2, 1859.
 
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A dramatic short film about the last meeting between old friends Frederick Douglass and abolitionist John Brown, where Brown tries to enlist the former slave to take up arms against the slave states.

In politics there is always the classic debate between the efficacy of legal vs illegal actions. Slavery has only ended in societies when the slaves have used violence to free them selves. The United States may be unique in the sense that unlike slave revolt's in other part's of the New World a white man and white supporter's actively assisted black people in fighting for their freedom. Perhaps someone knowledgeable about Brazilian , British or French history of their Caribbean Colonies can provide knowledge of white men similar to John Brown.
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In politics there is always the classic debate between the efficacy of legal vs illegal actions. Slavery has only ended in societies when the slaves have used violence to free them selves. The United States may be unique in the sense that unlike slave revolt's in other part's of the New World a white man and white supporter's actively assisted black people in fighting for their freedom. Perhaps someone knowledgeable about Brazilian , British or French history of their Caribbean Colonies can provide knowledge of white men similar to John Brown.
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England and other such countries ended slavery through legislation.
In a sense they 'solved' the issue of slavery in a peaceable manner.

The US is unique in the sense that they were not able to solve the slavery issue peaceably, and as John Brown prophesied 'the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away, but with blood.
 

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England and other such countries ended slavery through legislation.
In a sense they 'solved' the issue of slavery in a peaceable manner.

The US is unique in the sense that they were not able to solve the slavery issue peaceably, and as John Brown prophesied 'the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away, but with blood.
Not exactly the way slavery ended in the New World. One reason if not the main reason especially in Brazil and in the case of France was that slave's liberated themselves and the legislation just followed the reality on the ground.
The British absolutely had their hand's full in Jamaica with slave revolt's and guerrilla warfare.
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England and other such countries ended slavery through legislation.
In a sense they 'solved' the issue of slavery in a peaceable manner.

The US is unique in the sense that they were not able to solve the slavery issue peaceably, and as John Brown prophesied 'the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away, but with blood.
Just Google " Jamaican slave revolt's" their was a major uprising " the Baptist War" in the early 1830's. Black people when enslaved were by no means passive and waiting for the mythical good white people to save them.Slavery ended not legislation but by violence. The legislation just followed this reality.
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England and other such countries ended slavery through legislation.
In a sense they 'solved' the issue of slavery in a peaceable manner.

The US is unique in the sense that they were not able to solve the slavery issue peaceably, and as John Brown prophesied 'the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away, but with blood.
Most definitely Google slave revolt's in Brazil which were ongoing right until the end of slavery in the 1880s. Of course the Haitian revolt's are well known.
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Most definitely Google slave revolt's in Brazil which were ongoing right until the end of slavery in the 1880s. Of course the Haitian revolt's are well known.
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As far as I know Haiti was the only slave revolt which resulted in the creation of a new nation.

I've also read the Brown was a big fan of Toussaint Louverture and learned from his example that violent uprising was the best way to confront slavery.
 

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As far as I know Haiti was the only slave revolt which resulted in the creation of a new nation.

I've also read the Brown was a big fan of Toussaint Louverture and learned from his example that violent uprising was the best way to confront slavery.
Hatti was majority black so yes it achieve Independence. Jamaica was majority black but unlike Hatti it didn't have enough people to withstand a full fledged assault from a large army. In Brazil blacks were a sizable minority. Point being that in all three cases blacks were not passive actors in their eventual emancipation. Legislation in Brazil and the UK were greatly influenced by black violent resistance to slavery.
It certainly would be reasonable to assume Brown was aware of black rebellion not only in Hatti but the British Caribbean and Brazil.
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