Davis Jeff Davis & Native Americans

Philip Leigh

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At the risk of his life, in 1831-32 Lieutenant Jefferson Davis prevented Northern whites from poaching on Native American lead mines in Dubuque, Iowa Territory. By treaty, white men were to stay out of the region, leaving it to the Sauk and Fox Indians. But many nearby whites showed no respect for the treaty and repeatedly robbed the mines. Over a five-month period Davis apprehended trespassers even as some plotted to murder him. Ultimately he persuaded almost all offenders to leave the area.

In the first occasion of Indian participation in a white government, Jefferson Davis's Confederacy accepted three delegates from the Indian Nations in its Congress.
 
REPORT OF THE SECRETARY OF WAR.

WAR DEPARTMENT, December 4, 1854.
.........
The removal from Florida of the remnant of the Seminole tribe, who, in violation of treaty, have continued to occupy the southern part of that State, has received the constant attention of the department; but, from peculiar circumstances, the efforts directed to this object have been attended with but little success. It is, however, believed that better results may be anticipated in the ensuing year. The troops have taken a line of observation which greatly contracts the limits of the territory occupied by the Indians; and it is proposed to make expeditions through the region where they have hitherto remained securely concealed.

By opening roads, and by the use of boats adapted to the navigation of the lakes, swamps, and bayous, which have heretofore enabled them to elude pursuit, (including a small steamer, as recommended by the Quartermaster General,) the department expects to acquire an accurate knowledge of the country, and to impress them with the conviction of their inability to escape from or resist the power of the United States. Measures have been taken to cut off their trade, and to make them feel the great inconvenience which will attend an attitude of defiance on their part towards this government. By these means it is hoped the Indians may be peaceably removed to the home provided for them west of the Mississippi, and the claim of Florida to be relieved from their presence be speedily answered. Should this hope not be fulfilled, the measures above referred to are the proper and most efficient steps preliminary to active operations for their removal by force.
.........
JEFFERSON DAVIS,
Secretary of War

To the President of the United States.
 
REPORT OF THE SECRETARY OF WAR.

WAR DEPARTMENT, December 4, 1854.
.........
The removal from Florida of the remnant of the Seminole tribe, who, in violation of treaty, have continued to occupy the southern part of that State, has received the constant attention of the department; but, from peculiar circumstances, the efforts directed to this object have been attended with but little success. It is, however, believed that better results may be anticipated in the ensuing year. The troops have taken a line of observation which greatly contracts the limits of the territory occupied by the Indians; and it is proposed to make expeditions through the region where they have hitherto remained securely concealed.

By opening roads, and by the use of boats adapted to the navigation of the lakes, swamps, and bayous, which have heretofore enabled them to elude pursuit, (including a small steamer, as recommended by the Quartermaster General,) the department expects to acquire an accurate knowledge of the country, and to impress them with the conviction of their inability to escape from or resist the power of the United States. Measures have been taken to cut off their trade, and to make them feel the great inconvenience which will attend an attitude of defiance on their part towards this government. By these means it is hoped the Indians may be peaceably removed to the home provided for them west of the Mississippi, and the claim of Florida to be relieved from their presence be speedily answered. Should this hope not be fulfilled, the measures above referred to are the proper and most efficient steps preliminary to active operations for their removal by force.
.........
JEFFERSON DAVIS,
Secretary of War

To the President of the United States.

Who ordered Davis to do that?
 
Probably an American. Same as the guy who ordered Lieutenant Davis in 1831-1832.

I'm not against Davis getting credit where credit is due, but if we're going to talk about making all the bad someone else's responsibility and all the good his, I want to see something establishing that the latter was indeed personally his responsibility (same as vice-versa, but we don't have a Davis hate club despite the Joe Johnston fans on this site, so I'm less concerned about defending him from unjustified accusations on his attitude towards Native Americans).
 
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Who ordered Davis to do that?
When it came to running the War Department, Davis' only superior was the President, Franklin Pierce, a man Davis held in esteem and friendship until Pierce's death in 1869.

From what I have read of the character of Jefferson Davis there was not a man alive at the time who could have "made" Davis do anything that went against his idea of what was right and proper. IMO any attempt by Pierce or anyone else to do so would have resulted in Davis' immediate resignation.
 
Who ordered Davis to be nice to the Indians in 1831-32?
You going to answer the question or do a spin because you don't know the answer?
Mr. Davis was operating under orders for the US. You have done the very same thing in your life as he did. Do the orders though they are not what you like to do. Git a grip!!
 
When it came to running the War Department, Davis' only superior was the President, Franklin Pierce, a man Davis held in esteem and friendship until Pierce's death in 1869.

From what I have read of the character of Jefferson Davis there was not a man alive at the time who could have "made" Davis do anything that went against his idea of what was right and proper. IMO any attempt by Pierce or anyone else to do so would have resulted in Davis' immediate resignation.
Your opinion is noted. Although you were not there.
 
Everglades Timeline

Territorial Florida, Statehood, & the Seminole Indian Wars (1821-1858)

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In 1821 Florida was transferred to the United States following the continuing siege of the United States Navy against the pirates, wreckers, and plunderers of the buccaneer coast. Two years later the word "Everglades" first appeared on maps , and in 1837 the name of a great inland lake became famous to the congressmen, generals and press of a new nation hot on the trail of the bands of Seminoles who were fleeing south into the Florida wilderness. On Christmas day of that year, Col. Zacharay Taylor, later President, met Seminole Chiefs Osceola and Billy Bowlegs in the bloody battle of Okeechobee. By 1858, 13 years after Florida had become a state, the few South Florida Seminoles who refused to go west were peacefully spearing fish in the deep interior.
William Roy Shelton,
Land of the Everglades, 1957.

1817-1818
General Andrew Jackson and his army were sent to northern Florida to fight the Seminoles and seize the land from Spain.

1821
Spain sold Florida to the United States for five million dollars. Slave catchers from southern states swarmed into Florida to reclaim runaway slaves, snagging free blacks and Indians as well.


When Florida became a Territory in 1821, its first Governor, Andrew Jackson, considered the 7,000 Seminoles in Florida a major handicap in the development of Florida. The ensuing conflict, known later as the First Seminole Indian War, forced the Indians to move further south to elude capture or death.

1823
Facing increasing pressure from white settlers to move farther down the Florida peninsula, several dozen Seminoles Chiefs signed the Treaty of Moultrie Creek, granting them 5 million acres between the Withlacoochee River and Lake Okeechobee.


Civil & Topographical Engineer Charles B. Vignoles, writing in his Observations upon the Florida, referred to south Florida's wetlands as the "Ever-glades".

1830
U. S. Congress passed the Indian Removal Act; government officials began negotiating with the Seminoles to leave Florida.

1832
John James Audubon visited southern Florida to study and paint the region's unique birds. He was so pleased with his Florida expedition that he planned to return in 1837 to explore the west coast. The outbreak of the Second Seminole War in 1835 curtailed his plans.


In May, the Treaty of Payne's Landing set forth conditions for six Seminole inspectors to travel to Oklahoma to check proposed Seminole tribal grounds there. Under suspicious. circumstances, the chiefs subsequently signed the Treaty of Fort Gibson (Oklahoma), agreeing to give up their Florida lands within three years and move west of the Mississippi River, to the country assigned to the Creeks.

1835
Fort Dallas was established as a military post near the mouth of the Miami River, on land destined later to become the city of Miami.

1835-1842
When the U.S. arrived in Florida to enforce Payne's Treaty, the Seminoles were ready for war. The ensuing conflict, known as the Second Seminole War, cost the U.S. more than $20 million and more than 1500 soldiers and civilians. Hostilities eventually ended with negotiations that recognized hunting and farming grounds for the Seminoles. But no peace treaty was signed, no boundaries were defined for Seminole territory in Florida; and no provisions were made for an independent Seminole government.

1837
On December 25, Colonel Zachary Taylor led his cavalry into the Battle of Lake Okeechobee, one of the major engagements of the Second Seminole War. Approximately 800 federal troops defeated some 400 Seminole Indians, suffering many casualities.
1840
In December, Colonel Harney led a canoe expedition westward from the Miami River into the Everglades.
1845
On March 3, Florida was admitted into the Union as the 27th state.

1847-48
Engineer Buckingham Smith was hired to examine and survey the South Florida wildnerness, reporting on its value and feasibility for reclamation. His report to the 30th Congress, advocating drainage of the Everglades, was published as Senate Document No. 242.

1850
U.S. Congress granted swamp lands to Florida for the purpose of drainage and reclamation.

1855
The Florida Legislature created the Trustees of Internal Improvement Fund (IIF) to manage the newly acquired lands gained under the Swamp Lands Act. The IIF was charged with drainage and reclamation, with power to sell lands and then apply the proceeds toward reclamation of these lands.

1855
The Third Seminole War began when a white survey party raided the plantation of Seminole Chief Billy Bowlegs. White bounty hunters were offered five hundred dollar rewards for Seminole braves, $250 for women, and $100 for children. Indians could receive the same rewards for giving up. The Seminoles rejected the financial rewards and pursued guerrilla warfare instead.

1856
The first detailed description of the Everglades was published by the U.S. Secretary of War, Jefferson Davis. "Memoir to Accompany a Military Map", or the "Davis Map" accurately depicted the extent, bedrock, soils vegetation and water levels in the Everglades.


1858
On May 8, federal authorities declared the Florida War closed. In exchange for modest cash payments, Seminole Chief Billy Bowlegs agreed to leave Florida with about 165 members of his tribe. Two organized bands and several families remained in south Florida.

Timeline prepared by Gail Clement, University Librarian, Florida International University

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Jeff Davis was following orders from the US Gov.
 
When compared to
You going to answer the question or do a spin because you don't know the answer?
Mr. Davis was operating under orders for the US. You have done the very same thing in your life as he did. Do the orders though they are not what you like to do. Git a grip!!
Your obsessive need to invent simple-minded narratives for everything is officially getting ridiculous; all he did was ask for clarification of a completely nonsensical one-liner that you posted, and even that is "spin"? You clearly have no idea what that word means.

On the actual topic:

It's worth noting that this was not an entirely unique act for Davis. In 1862, he cashiered Confederate colonel Baylor and removed him from his post in southern New Mexico after discovering that Baylor had an absurd plan to lure Apache tribes into an ambush by feigning peace talks.
 
When compared to

Your obsessive need to invent simple-minded narratives for everything is officially getting ridiculous; all he did was ask for clarification of a completely nonsensical one-liner that you posted, and even that is "spin"? You clearly have no idea what that word means.

On the actual topic:

It's worth noting that this was not an entirely unique act for Davis. In 1862, he cashiered Confederate colonel Baylor and removed him from his post in southern New Mexico after discovering that Baylor had an absurd plan to lure Apache tribes into an ambush by feigning peace talks.
Your opinion is noted. How you like this little line?
 
It's worth noting that this was not an entirely unique act for Davis. In 1862, he cashiered Confederate colonel Baylor and removed him from his post in southern New Mexico after discovering that Baylor had an absurd plan to lure Apache tribes into an ambush by feigning peace talks.

Baylor was undoubtedly thinking about creating another Council House Fight, in which Texans invited a peace delegation from the Comanche and then took them hostage, ending in a largely one-sided battle in San Antonio.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating -- Texas was the only state in the Confederacy that was actually on the frontier, whose settlers were in direct, ongoing, and violent conflict with Native American groups. If you believe that the Confederacy was somehow "better" on Indian policy than the U.S. government, look at the attitudes and actions of the Confederates here who were actually dealing with the Comanche and Kiowa -- it's not much different than the expulsion-or-extermination attitudes of white settlers on northern plains in Iowa and Minnesota. Confederate officers from Texas like Johnston, McCulloch, Baylor, Ross and others got their appointments, in part, as a result of their reputation as Texas Rangers, which at that time were essentially mounted state militia prosecuting war (including reprisals) on the Indians. It's not pretty.
 
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When compared to

Your obsessive need to invent simple-minded narratives for everything is officially getting ridiculous; all he did was ask for clarification of a completely nonsensical one-liner that you posted, and even that is "spin"? You clearly have no idea what that word means.

On the actual topic:

It's worth noting that this was not an entirely unique act for Davis. In 1862, he cashiered Confederate colonel Baylor and removed him from his post in southern New Mexico after discovering that Baylor had an absurd plan to lure Apache tribes into an ambush by feigning peace talks.

On second thought about this statement, I don't need to post 2 paragraphs of ******** to prove a point which ends up meaning NOTHING!!.
 
On second thought about this statement, I don't need to post 2 paragraphs of ******** to prove a point which ends up meaning NOTHING!!.
Your biases are showing again; the whole second paragraph - that you obviously didn't read - was actually mentioning another instance in which Davis' actions were arguably admirable. I would think that would please you, but you're generally more intent on judging your fellow posters rather than what their posts actually say. Not every single statement by every poster you personally dislike is a personal affront to you.
 
So we have evidence Davis dealt with different situations differently, did not support Baylor's extremist policy, and . . .

Actually, we don't have any information on the delegates bit. Could someone suggest somewhere to look for elaboration on that?
 
At the risk of his life, in 1831-32 Lieutenant Jefferson Davis prevented Northern whites from poaching on Native American lead mines in Dubuque, Iowa Territory. By treaty, white men were to stay out of the region, leaving it to the Sauk and Fox Indians. But many nearby whites showed no respect for the treaty and repeatedly robbed the mines. Over a five-month period Davis apprehended trespassers even as some plotted to murder him. Ultimately he persuaded almost all offenders to leave the area.

In the first occasion of Indian participation in a white government, Jefferson Davis's Confederacy accepted three delegates from the Indian Nations in its Congress.

During the Black Hawk War, Col Zachary Taylor sent a detachment to the lead mines to remove miners there in order that the Sauk Fox treaty could be ironed out - it wasn't ratified yet. They thought they had the right to be there but it was imperative that they not be there until difficulties with the Indians could be resolved. Davis worked with them well and was able to accomplish his mission of removing them peaceably. This doesn't illustrate Davis was sympathetic to the Sauk Fox or even thought about them one way or the other. It just shows he was able to complete a dicey mission with satisfactory results and no bloodshed.

It was nice of the Confederate congress to seat representatives from the Confederate sympathizing tribes. They didn't have a vote and the only thing they really got was a voice and a little incentive to stay Confederate.
 

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