Is this genuine?

Si Klegg

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I was browsing for a smiling soldier for the 'smiles' thread and came across this, which I've never seen before. Does anyone have any information on this image? Is it genuine or a repro? I can't help but think it's the latter. It's too good to be true :D

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Quarter Plate Tintype Portrait of George Chapman, Co. C, 122d New York Vol. Inf., Enjoying a Meal. M1861 .58 caliber rifled musket with bayonet fixed on the ground at his side. Wears shell jacket, kepi, full set of equipment, including haversack. Holds tin cup and hardtack, coffee pot , tin plate, utensils and hardtack, arrayed on the ground in front of him. Chapman served with the 122d New York from August 1862 until his discharge for disability on March 6, 1865, as the result of wounds suffered at Cedar Creek, October 19, 1864. Source: HA.com
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tellinghistory/4210280894/in/photostream/
 
Thank you Aug, superb images, the detail is wonderful. It's gladdened my heart that the image is genuine.

Here's a very similar photo. Think I've seen a few other images of Federal soldiers sitting on the ground and posing with rations and gear.

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https://historical.ha.com/itm/milit...460.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

Great image, turned-up sleeves, turned-down collar. Look like maybe onions on his plate? Must be after Grant's 'I will not move my army without onions.' :D
 
I can understand Si Klegg's suspicion. You know, when you look at Aug351's photos, there is an immediate reaction that they are the real deal. Something about them reeks mid-19th Century. Can't quite put my finger on it exactly.

But the photo posted by Si does not give me that immediate reaction. But, again, I can't put my finger on it. Something about the photo quality? Maybe it seems his face was not formed by 19th century nutrition and activity?

I don't know. But I do hope it's real. Thanks for posting!!!
 
I think his face has more of a modern look to it, maybe also his pose.... but the photo certainly appears authentic to me.

If it is a repro then the reenactor sure did an amazing job on just about every detail. Not to mention the photographer actually having a painted backdrop, which you don't usually see in tintypes of reenactors.
 

Nice bit of detective work there chubachus, many thanks! (I can't find a thumbs-up smiley!)

Alan and Aug have identified my suspicions … the face looks modern, the Hat (I've got a Dirty Billy exactly the same), the slab bacon - all looked too good to be true.

I'm no expert on weapons however and what's perplexing me is why that M1842 (it says 'musket' in the auction description)has a long-range rear sight … I thought they were smoothbores :unsure:
 
I don't think I'd waste a perfectly good case to use with a repro. I'm guessing real deal.
I'm gonna revise my opinion since the image was sold at auction. Making money on a sale would be a good reason to use a real frame. So my jury is still out.
 
I can understand Si Klegg's suspicion. You know, when you look at Aug351's photos, there is an immediate reaction that they are the real deal. Something about them reeks mid-19th Century. Can't quite put my finger on it exactly.

But the photo posted by Si does not give me that immediate reaction. But, again, I can't put my finger on it. Something about the photo quality? Maybe it seems his face was not formed by 19th century nutrition and activity?

I don't know. But I do hope it's real. Thanks for posting!!!
The face has more depth and an almost 3D quality to it. Era faces seem flat by comparison. Not sure, but I'm guessing the local photog in many a small town took up the trade when the process became readily available for anyone with enough money to buy a cheap camera. The Matthew Brady quality images are better, I'm guessing due to better equipment and the skills of the artist.
 
Are there other examples of period photos with the same background? What seems unusual to me is he is sitting with his legs open. Would this be unusual in Victorian times?
 
The face has more depth and an almost 3D quality to it. Era faces seem flat by comparison. Not sure, but I'm guessing the local photog in many a small town took up the trade when the process became readily available for anyone with enough money to buy a cheap camera. The Matthew Brady quality images are better, I'm guessing due to better equipment and the skills of the artist.
I agree. I'm no expert in photography, but the lack of irregularities over the face stands out to me as well. In addition of the appearance that the face of the man in Si's photo looks molded by modern nutrition, there are no scratches in the facial region of the photo. Also, notice all those white dots. None are present in the facial area of Si's photo. Now, compare those scratches and white dots to the photos posted by Aug and you will see they are ubiquitous- including in the facial area.

When I was a reenactor back in the 80's, I had a photograph done of me at the 125th anniversary of Gettysburg. I begged the photographer to make it look old. I wanted it blurred, scratched, etc. We worked on the blurred part while taking the photo. He was to add irregularities in his studio later. He did just that. However, when I got it back, he left the added irregularities off of my facial area but put them in other areas of the photo.

So, that element, too, stuck out at me when I looked at Si's photo, but was too lazy to mention it in my previous post.

If I had to wager, I'd bet that just off camera in Si's photo there is a cell phone and a bag of Cheetos nearby!!

People will go to great lengths to look authentic. That's what many hardcore reenactors strive for in living history. I see no reason why that passion would not be extended to photography.

But again, I'm no expert. It's just that for me, I would not pay much for it. Maybe what the frame is worth?
 
...Is it genuine or a repro?

A few things suggest it may be a repro. For one the photo seems to be "informed" by the others posted here. i.e. cracker in hand, coffee pot, bacon on plate. An original shot would be, well, more happenstance. Next is the placement of the gun across his ankle. Not a natural placement, but more importantly not a stable position for a long period-appropriate exposure.

I too notice a dimensionality to the guy's face. It seems period tintypes were flatter in appearance. Then there's the size of the portion on his plate. Just seems like a whopper compared to what an issued amount would look like (I understand its a prop, but it seems the soldier might have thought it too big to portray himself in campaign mode). Lastly, it just happens that the hat is a popular type ("pork pie") among reenactors lately. It's an authentic style, but its use here appeals to modern eyes, if possibly that was intentional. And yeah, his sitting pose seems a little strained, as if he doesn't take that pose as often as a real soldier in the field.

None of that is a game-breaker though. If it's a repro it's really well done. A test on the emulsion and plate would be needed to confirm it either way. Try a magnet to start with. "Tin" types were iron, and called ferrotypes as often.

TOUGH CROWD eh?
 
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OK, you doubting thomases are convincing me the other way now!

Why? That is some pretty awesome tinting work. According to my monitor, I'm seeing the exact colour of my own JT Martin contractor pants. That's an awful lot of tinting work to do as well, considering the usual tinting subjects are buttons, buckles, insignia and faces (rosy cheeks etc.) Looks like he's had a go at the utensils and the bacon too, but ignored the brass and the face.

Mind you, in Aug's pic of the New Yorker, the Photog (or assistant) seems to have put in an awful lot of work on greening the grass!

So, still not sure ...
 
...what's perplexing me is why that M1842 (it says 'musket' in the auction description)has a long-range rear sight … I thought they were smoothbores :unsure:

Apparently between 1856 and 1859 14,182 were altered by Springfield and Harper's Ferry. They were altered by rifling the barrels and less than 10,000 had long range rear sights added.
 
Bit more on him.
Is wearing a frock coat.
Is a Sergeant/Corporal.
Odd that his frock coat buttons reflect nothing at all, look more like gutta percha or goodyear!

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