Introducing Private Nathan Rine!

[Moonshiner]

Are you interested in collateral ancestors? Nathan had four brothers who were of military age during the Civil War.

I most certainly am! Is there a "private" way to do it so I can decide what gets out for public consumption? THANK YOU!!!

Also, is there a way to get larger photos or not?

 

[Allie]

I most certainly am! Is there a "private" way to do it so I can decide what gets out for public consumption? THANK YOU!!!

Also, is there a way to get larger photos or not?

That's as large as the source had them. You can try tracking down the book online. Edit: hmm, the book is online and those pictures don't seem to be in it. Maybe the person who posted them will tell me what the right attribution is.

We can go private but you won't get all this military commentary from everyone, I'm weak on that end!

 

[Allie]

Okay! I think I've got a handle on everyone in this immediate family group now, with a few exceptions, which I will try to mention.

First of all here's everyone's family tree so you can see who the brothers, wives, and children are. Jacob Rine is the patriarch. I obtained the list of his children from the published bio of Nathan and from other trees. Amanda and William do not appear in the bio and I have not been able to find sources to confirm that they are Jacob's children, but they do appear in trees which clearly belong to close family members who may have private sources. I was not able to find sources on Joel or Abraham, who according to the bio died in youth. The bio states that John also died in youth but I believe this is mistaken. I believe this John is the brother of Nathan because his children are clearly named after his brothers and he lived near them.

First, patriarch Jacob, so you can see Nathan with his brothers.

Then Nathan with his family. I've found sources for most of this information on the children but not all. When two sources disagree on a name or date, I go by the earliest date, and give preference to the name on the birth certificate if there is one, then the name on the grave, then the name given by family members, and last the census.

Nathan's brother Alvin with his wife. It appears they never had children.

Nathan's brother Fletcher with his family. I had a heck of a time sorting the children of the two wives since most trees have them wrong, but found death certificates for most of them listing the mother's name. I have no idea why there is a second marriage record for Amanda and Fletcher after her death, but there is. It's obviously wrong.

Nathan's brother John Wesley with his family. Rachel is in fact a cousin of General Sherman but only if you go back to 1540 in Essex. Her mother was a Longstreet from New Jersey, and she may or may not be related to Longstreet - I wasn't able to go back farther.

Okay, now for their war service.

Alvin and Fletcher were living in Missouri during the war and were drafted into the Missouri home guard for two months. Not very exciting but now I know something new about how Missouri handled the war!

There are approximately 22 million people named John Ryan who served in Ohio during the Civil War, but I got lucky and found a pension with his wife's name on it, so this is the right John.

There is also a John W Ryan in the 126th, so he may have joined up with his brother and been transferred.
I wasn't able to find the card that should go with this on Fold3. This is the closest thing I could find to a matching record.

 

[ErnieMac]

A map of the Battle of Monocacy from the Civil War Preservation Trust is below. 126th Ohio is shown right smack in the middle. A couple other books for your consideration - Monocacy: The Battle That Saved Washington and Jubal Early's Raid on Washington which were both authored by Benjamin Franklin Cooling. http://www.civilwar.org/battlefields/monocacy/maps/monocacymap.html

 

[Moonshiner]

Okay! I think I've got a handle on everyone in this immediate family group now, with a few exceptions, which I will try to mention.

First of all here's everyone's family tree so you can see who the brothers, wives, and children are. Jacob Rine is the patriarch. I obtained the list of his children from the published bio of Nathan and from other trees. Amanda and William do not appear in the bio and I have not been able to find sources to confirm that they are Jacob's children, but they do appear in trees which clearly belong to close family members who may have private sources. I was not able to find sources on Joel or Abraham, who according to the bio died in youth. The bio states that John also died in youth but I believe this is mistaken. I believe this John is the brother of Nathan because his children are clearly named after his brothers and he lived near them.

First, patriarch Jacob, so you can see Nathan with his brothers.
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Then Nathan with his family. I've found sources for most of this information on the children but not all. When two sources disagree on a name or date, I go by the earliest date, and give preference to the name on the birth certificate if there is one, then the name on the grave, then the name given by family members, and last the census.
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Nathan's brother Alvin with his wife. It appears they never had children.
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Nathan's brother Fletcher with his family. I had a heck of a time sorting the children of the two wives since most trees have them wrong, but found death certificates for most of them listing the mother's name. I have no idea why there is a second marriage record for Amanda and Fletcher after her death, but there is. It's obviously wrong.
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Nathan's brother John Wesley with his family. Rachel is in fact a cousin of General Sherman but only if you go back to 1540 in Essex. Her mother was a Longstreet from New Jersey, and she may or may not be related to Longstreet - I wasn't able to go back farther.
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Okay, now for their war service.

Alvin and Fletcher were living in Missouri during the war and were drafted into the Missouri home guard for two months. Not very exciting but now I know something new about how Missouri handled the war!
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There are approximately 22 million people named John Ryan who served in Ohio during the Civil War, but I got lucky and found a pension with his wife's name on it, so this is the right John.
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There is also a John W Ryan in the 126th, so he may have joined up with his brother and been transferred.
I wasn't able to find the card that should go with this on Fold3. This is the closest thing I could find to a matching record.
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I am totally floored and extremely thankful for the time and effort you spent finding all this information! I've spent my life wondering about my family's heritage, and over the coarse of less than 24 hours you have brought so much in focus... I really don't know what to say other than I and my family are so thankful. Bless you !!

 

[Moonshiner]

ErnieMac - I can't get the quote function to work but THANK YOU for the battle map!! Now I can show my children and grandchildren exactly where he was on the battlefield.... I keep using the same words, but they apply - Grateful, thankful, floored, awesome!

 

[Harris]

So excited for you Moonshiner... I know what it's like to find new ancestors, especially ones who served in my greatest hobby...the CW!

 

[Allie]

I am totally floored and extremely thankful for the time and effort you spent finding all this information! I've spent my life wondering about my family's heritage, and over the coarse of less than 24 hours you have brought so much in focus... I really don't know what to say other than I and my family are so thankful. Bless you !!

It was a pleasure! I enjoy doing records and get bored with my own people.

I see that two children of Fletcher's snuck back on to the wrong mother's list, must have happened when I added a record at some point. Oh well - if you assume that Amanda did not have children after she died, you can see who goes with who.

There is a ton of information on this family. If I find anything else that connects to Civil War ancestors I'll put it here, and otherwise send it privately.

 

[ErnieMac]

ErnieMac - I can't get the quote function to work but THANK YOU for the battle map!! Now I can show my children and grandchildren exactly where he was on the battlefield.... I keep using the same words, but they apply - Grateful, thankful, floored, awesome!

Glad to be of help.

 

[AndyHall]

This is fun just watching.

 

[Moonshiner]

It was a pleasure! I enjoy doing records and get bored with my own people.

I see that two children of Fletcher's snuck back on to the wrong mother's list, must have happened when I added a record at some point. Oh well - if you assume that Amanda did not have children after she died, you can see who goes with who.

There is a ton of information on this family. If I find anything else that connects to Civil War ancestors I'll put it here, and otherwise send it privately.

I shared most of this with my family. You would not believe how excited they are! Though they knew of some of the ancestry, certainly much more than I, they did not have nearly the depth you found!

Again, I appreciate this so much! If there is a way to repay you, PLEASE let me know!!

Glad to be of help.

I can NOT wait to visit the Monocacy Battlefield next month! The plans before i found this out was to just give it a passing look on our way to the more "famous" battlefields. Knowing where the 126th Ohio was aligned will bring cleaner focus for me.

 

[Allie]

Rather than start a new thread for each relative in the war, I'm going to put them here if that's okay. This is your 2nd great grandfather James Cormican of the 150th Illinois with his family and children. I wasn't able to find death records for all of the children. In addition, I haven't found where James is buried - his death date is approximate and comes from his widow's pension index.

Looking for military records, I know that the James Cormican who was in the 150th was the right man, because his wife's name is on his pension index. I also have an index which states his dates of service.

But there is another, earlier record, which I believe may be him as well. He was living in Indiana at the beginning of the war and appears to have moved to Illinois during. I think he served briefly in Indiana before serving in Illinois. There do not appear to be two James Cormicans in the Midwest with this birthdate so I think this is him also.

There is also a third record of a James Cormican who enlisted in the regular army with the 20th infantry in 1866 and served until 1868, apparently with the occupation forces in Louisiana. This may or may not be him, there is not enough information to be sure.

 

[Allie]

By the way, I'm using your icon to link the various Civil war relatives so I can find them easily - that is obviously not a picture of James Cormican!

Does anyone know anything about the 150th Illinois Infantry and what it was doing in 1865?

 

[Moonshiner]

Once again - You are the best!!

I seen that Avatar I used on there and started laughing like a school boy! Too funny!

I'll private message you a question about this too..... THANK YOU!!!

 

[Moonshiner]

Allie - You would not believe how this has brought my family together! So many petty arguments have been let go because they are now so excited to see our genealogy. So much so that we had to create a Facebook Group page so everyone can share this information as well as tell stories and reminiscence. Never did I think that would ever happen. Blessing comes to those with kind hearts and charity towards others - That is you!

 

[Allie]

Allie - You would not believe how this has brought my family together! So many petty arguments have been let go because they are now so excited to see our genealogy. So much so that we had to create a Facebook Group page so everyone can share this information as well as tell stories and reminiscence. Never did I think that would ever happen. Blessing comes to those with kind hearts and charity towards others - That is you!

Well shoot, thank you, but I hope you did tell them that not everything is 100% checked and confirmed! Most of it I would call solid, but I have a few bits I would call "very good speculation." I will try to make clear which parts are which so you can share that information as well.

 

[Moonshiner]

They are just shocked you got as far as you did!!

 

[shanniereb]

I am a photo freak, so be careful what you wish for!!

I am too! Join the crowd!