If not McClellan, then who?

It is hard to pin Kearny down. A hard fighter yes but never found an order he didn't question. Chain of command only up to a point. Reach a high point as Brigade commander but never had the chance to demonstrate his ability above that. If he survived he most likely would have either got the I Corps command or the III Corps. Both would have given him an opportunity to show he could handle a larger command.
 
It is hard to pin Kearny down. A hard fighter yes but never found an order he didn't question. Chain of command only up to a point. Reach a high point as Brigade commander but never had the chance to demonstrate his ability above that. If he survived he most likely would have either got the I Corps command or the III Corps. Both would have given him an opportunity to show he could handle a larger command.
I would honestly be actively surprised if Kearny turned out to be able to handle a larger command - his decisions when actually in command of his division show that he struggled with battlefield handling of his division. He makes an actual habit of ordering disjointed charges that disrupt the battle line (Williamsburg, Seven Pines) and sending for/trying to command units from a different division instead of running his own (Glendale*, Second Bull Run, Chantilly).

The fact he's doing this literally right up to his death (his last action in his life is to order a poorly conceived charge from a unit of a completely different corps) makes it a hard road to row to argue that he'd somehow improved or was somehow maturing. By Chantilly he has been substantially involved in five major actions and in none of them has he really displayed division-level management skills; if he got a corps by seniority, which might well happen, I doubt he'd suddenly change his established patterns of command.


* as an aside, I find it funny that - per Grubbs - Kearny calls for the 1st NJ bde, no longer his, to do something, but (I think a bit earlier) Kearny's own reserve bde had been asked for to prevent the battery being lost in the first place and that reserve bde refused to move without Kearny's approval, and he couldn't be found to approve it.
 
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Totally agree. He was at heart a front line commander trying to be hands on and directly involved. No place for a Division let alone a Corps commander. He didn't change and it is doubtful that he would have given greater responsibility.
 
Major-Generals (Regular Army) 1861-1865

Scott, Winfield 5 Jul 1841/24 Jun 1841 > 1 Nov 1861
McClellan, George Brinton 14 May 1861 > 8 Nov 1864
Frémont, John Charles 3 Jul 1861/14 May 1861 > 4 Jun 1864
Halleck, Henry Wager 19 Aug 1861 > 9 Jan 1872
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the later, wartime promotions:
Wool, John Ellis 1 Aug 1863/16 May 1862 > 1 Aug 1863
Grant, Ulysses Simpson 7 Jul 1863/4 Jul 1863 > 4 Mar 1864/2 Mar 1864 PRO Lt-Gen USA & 25 Jul 1866 Gen USA
Sherman, William Tecumseh 12 Aug 1864 > 25 Jul 1866 PRO Lt-Gen USA & 4 Mar 1869 Gen USA
Meade, George Gordon 26 Nov 1864/18 Aug 1864 > 6 Nov 1872
Sheridan, Philip Henry 14 Nov 1864/8 Nov 1864 > 4 Mar 1869 PRO Lt-Gen USA & 1 Jun 1888 Gen USA
Thomas, George Henry 16 Jan 1865/15 Dec 1864 > 28 Mar 1870

Basically there were three to choose from, since Scott was CnC, and because rank is rank, it was always going to be McClellan. Halleck wasn't promoted until August and Fremont only slightly earlier; Lincoln always had in mind for Fremont in the West.
 
I would actually argue that the replacement options are a lot more open than most people seem to suspect. Remember, giving a relatively obscure McDowell such a high commission, let alone command of his ad hoc army, was already unexpected and created some controversy with Winfield Scott, who notwithstanding liked him, and Joseph Mansfield over seniority.

My understanding is that at the outbreak of the war, the rising stars in the army were guys like McClellan, FJ Porter, WB Franklin, and Halleck. McDowell leap frogged all of them, and even rather senior guys like Mansfield, Sumner, Heintzelman, CF Smith, and others to get his appointment.

McClellan both at the time and in retrospect is the obvious guy to replace McDowell — he and Beauregard at the outset in particular were THE guys people were chasing after given their promise & prewar reputation.

In terms of alternatives, I would consider the following to be interesting, but not exhaustive, options:

Fitz John Porter - he had exercised considerable influence already in the Union army, and had been a vital officer on Patterson's staff. McClellan was his close friend and had already singled him out as an officer he wanted either on his staff or in command several months prior, and certainly after McClellan came east. By all accounts he was was an exceptional officer who in real life played a major role in the organization and direct training of the Army of the Potomac under McClellan (along with guys like Buell and Casey).

Joseph Hooker - I'm not sure if he was close to Lincoln at this point, but he was connected enough to receive divisional command under McClellan very early despite his reputation and trepidations from many regular officers. He had considerable strengths, many of which would have contributed to organizing and inspiring the army in ways similar to McClellan; however in terms of army politics he was probably worse than McClellan was, at least within the officer corps, and especially in relation to many qualified and capable professional officers. McClellan by contrast could maintain at the very least working relationships, if not devotion, with many talented officers who would have long careers with the army. That being said, Hooker may have been more aggressive in moving the army against Johnston before the end of the year, though this is just speculation, barring any primary evidence from him to the contrary about his preferences at the time. He certainly had a better relationship with Lincoln than McClellan (ultimately) which would have set him up much better in 1861-2 with many key the political actors in Washington.

Joseph Mansfield - An obvious choice. He had been leapfrogged by McDowell to take field command for the Bull Run campaign. A long-tenured professional, instructor, and engineer with the army, he also led troops bravely, if briefly, at Antietam. I suspect he would have had the approval of Scott and other regulars given his prewar seniority and background, though I confess I don't know enough about him personally to speculate on his ability and political relationships.

Edwin Summer - If I recall correctly I believe he was still out west at the time, meaning his command transfer would take some time. That being said, like Mansfield he had prewar seniority and responsibilities that clearly exceeded those of McDowell. He was also a veteran of Winfield Scott's campaign in Mexico and had the kind of gritty but professional reputation that seems like it would lend itself well to getting on with Lincoln. That being said, his actual performance in the army is definitely mixed, though he certainly had moments (Seven Pines comes to mind) that demonstrated even at his age he still had a real fighting spirit. Just really unclear though whether he had enough to really excel in army command, especially on an organizational level. His time in corps command didn't distinguish him in this capacity to my knowledge.

Ethan Allen Hitchcock - Another long-tenured officer and celebrated veteran of Scott's campaign in Mexico. Had previously resigned from the army iirc and come back in an administrative capacity. I believe he was offered commands on several occasions, most notably to replace McClellan in 1862, though he seems to have been uninterested (I assume due to his age). Nonetheless had he been chosen right after Bull Run given the emergency context, it's possible he'd be more open. He certainly had the administrative bona fides to have at least some success in organizing either the army or the forces in the theatre more broadly. No clue though what his effective skillset in command was and whether he was capable of effective field command.
 
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Major-Generals (Regular Army) 1861-1865

Scott, Winfield 5 Jul 1841/24 Jun 1841 > 1 Nov 1861
McClellan, George Brinton 14 May 1861 > 8 Nov 1864
Frémont, John Charles 3 Jul 1861/14 May 1861 > 4 Jun 1864
Halleck, Henry Wager 19 Aug 1861 > 9 Jan 1872
******************************************************************
the later, wartime promotions:
Wool, John Ellis 1 Aug 1863/16 May 1862 > 1 Aug 1863
Grant, Ulysses Simpson 7 Jul 1863/4 Jul 1863 > 4 Mar 1864/2 Mar 1864 PRO Lt-Gen USA & 25 Jul 1866 Gen USA
Sherman, William Tecumseh 12 Aug 1864 > 25 Jul 1866 PRO Lt-Gen USA & 4 Mar 1869 Gen USA
Meade, George Gordon 26 Nov 1864/18 Aug 1864 > 6 Nov 1872
Sheridan, Philip Henry 14 Nov 1864/8 Nov 1864 > 4 Mar 1869 PRO Lt-Gen USA & 1 Jun 1888 Gen USA
Thomas, George Henry 16 Jan 1865/15 Dec 1864 > 28 Mar 1870

Basically there were three to choose from, since Scott was CnC, and because rank is rank, it was always going to be McClellan. Halleck wasn't promoted until August and Fremont only slightly earlier; Lincoln always had in mind for Fremont in the West.
Important to note that Fremont had exclusively requested a command out west and had already been appointed to his department several weeks before Bull Run. In fact, he seems to have been tasked by Lincoln (and possibly Scott) explicitly with planning & organizing a Mississippi River expedition.

This presumably means that McClellan had by early July been superseded as Scott's pick to execute his own River campaign concept (though iirc McDowell also testified to the JCCW that HE had been told by Scott prior to Bull Run that he was his preferred commander for the expedition— so Scott's entire 'plan' and command relationship were and continued to be a disorganized mess in 1861). Indeed, that Fremont had taken over seems to indicate that Scott's entire design and preparation for the River campaign had likely broken down, as Fremont's own half-baked plan was considerably more limited in scope.

Already the disorder was clear given Scott's rough forms (plural) of the so-called 'anaconda' plan in his dispatches to McClellan in May; all the moreso that in his final dispatch to him he seems to have outsourced to McClellan all responsibility for figuring out the logistics & capacity for river transportation. Apparently Scott's office was incapable of serious military planning in 1861. Of course the western Virginia intervention a few days after shifted McClellan's focus, which would explain the subsequent breakdown.
 
@Saphroneth I am under the impression that Kearny quit the French cavalry school because he wanted to get an up close and personal view of the French war in Algeria. It seems to me to be a reasonable thing to do for an American officer anxious to learn the trade of soldiering. I'm not sure anyone could have predicted with any certainty that a civil war was coming, or how intense the fighting was liable to be and other then that there doesn't seem to have been much likelihood of any other chance for an American officer to get actual battlefield experience, at least that I am aware of.

Although he wouldn't have been my first choice for Army commander I admit to a bias as I'm a Kearny fan, but I would not just write him off for bigger things had he survived longer.

John
Kearny was brave, and overall was probably an average to above average general as a brigade commander, but at the division level he was strictly average. Some McClellan supporters do not like Kearny simply because he often criticized McClellan.
 
@Saphroneth @67th Tigers As to using influence to advance himself I think that was pretty common. However I was under the impression he quit the cavalry school in order to participate in the Algerian campaign and that he saw action there with the Chasseurs d' Afrique. If not that's another bubble busted !!!

Also I has assumed that he did speak French. Although that was not something I read anywhere.

All these things considered my balloon seems to be leaking hot air pretty quickly.

I do appreciate all the information however, even if its painful !!!!

John
General Philip Kearny spoke fluent French.
 
Kearny was brave, and overall was probably an average to above average general as a brigade commander, but at the division level he was strictly average. Some McClellan supporters do not like Kearny simply because he often criticized McClellan.

He criticised everyone!

In Kearny's head, he was perfect and everyone else was an idiot.
 
Probably when he went to military school (cavalry I believe) in France. I haven't researched the years, but it would have been well before the Civil War.
You mean the military school which it seems generally understood he left quite quickly? I would rather presume that that would mean he learned French after going to the school and leaving it, if he didn't know when he arrived - it's a cavalry school, not a language one.
 
You mean the military school which it seems generally understood he left quite quickly? I would rather presume that that would mean he learned French after going to the school and leaving it, if he didn't know when he arrived - it's a cavalry school, not a language one.
You are probably right about the school. I just looked it up. Kearny had a law degree from Columbia, but I found no record that he matriculated from the French cavalry school. He did fight with the French in several engagements, and appears to have been in France for over a year.
 
You are probably right about the school. I just looked it up. Kearny had a law degree from Columbia, but I found no record that he matriculated from the French cavalry school. He did fight with the French in several engagements, and appears to have been in France for over a year.
Looking further, I saw that Kearny, after the experience in France in 1839 mentioned above, went back to France in 1859 and fought with them again.
 
You are probably right about the school. I just looked it up. Kearny had a law degree from Columbia, but I found no record that he matriculated from the French cavalry school. He did fight with the French in several engagements, and appears to have been in France for over a year.
Yeah, after he quit being in the army he basically vanishes for a while and shows up living in Paris (I think there's something about how it's with a woman who isn't his wife, but that might have been at a different time). I would assume he learned at that point.
 
I'm under the impression Kearny was present at the Battle of Solferino in 1859 with a cavalry regiment of the French Imperial Guard however I don't recall which one. I believe he participated in a cavalry charge with that regiment and was awarded the Legion of Honor, the first American to be so honored.

Regarding his marriage, I believe he divorced his first wife and remarried another American woman he had met while he was in France.

John
 
I'm under the impression Kearny was present at the Battle of Solferino in 1859 with a cavalry regiment of the French Imperial Guard however I don't recall which one. I believe he participated in a cavalry charge with that regiment and was awarded the Legion of Honor, the first American to be so honored.

Regarding his marriage, I believe he divorced his first wife and remarried another American woman he had met while he was in France.

John

He was take as a volunteer ADC, but asked permission to act as a trooper at Solferino, and it was granted.

He received the campaign medal, and the accounts of the award he received in Paris are this.

The LdH was not that prestigious at the time. All senior and foreign officers received it as a matter of course, with the class being based on rank. In a rather backhanded manner, the French gave him the 5th class. Kearny had already left France when the award was published, and never went to the office in Paris to pick it up. The paperwork gives the reason for the award as "Major in the United States Army."
 
@67th Tigers Thanks for all that. I thought it was a pretty prestigious award but apparently not at that time anyway.

I guess watering down the standards for awards is not necessarily a new thing.

John
 

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