Hood

@Rebforever I thought he was of the opinion that Hood was not the best choice for higher command positions, like Corps or Army command and that Hood was kinda careless about administrative matters. However I can't remember where I saw that, of course. I will try to find it though.

I'm fan of Hood myself, however I don't know enough about people or events outside the ANV or the AOP to have an opinion about his later performance.

John

Frontal head-on attack was about the full extent of Hood's combat thinking.

If Hood had not received his debilitating wounds and had been retained to command a Division (like the Texans, in the Army of Northern Virginia), he might have perhaps performed effectively for the duration of the War.

Even so, I think he eventually would have run out of men (before the war ended), with the casualty counts any units he led experienced.
 
In my opinion, he was a creative battle planner- sometimes

I think that is a fair point.

Sometimes, he could devise a sound plan, like at Spring Hill.

Where he failed, was usually in implementation of his plans. As Army commander, two-way communications with his Division commanders often broke down, and he could not coordinate combined units on such a large scale.

As the Army commander, the ultimate responsibility fell upon him for any failure of a action, no matter how good the plan was that he had created.
 
@Nathan Stuart In most circumstances I wouldn't imagine a brigade commander would be in a position to do much else other then attack where he was ordered. At Gettysburg, as a Division commander, I think he suggested moving around a flank and his idea was vetoed by his Corps commander, (probably for good reason, but thats a matter of opinion I guess).

But after he leaves the ANV, I'm at your mercy.

John
 
In most circumstances I wouldn't imagine a brigade commander would be in a position to do much else other then attack where he was ordered.
Yes, I don't think we can judge Hood too harshly for his army command tactics based on his performance at the brigade or division level. At those levels, the overall attack plan would generally have been dictated by the corps and army commanders, whether it be a frontal type assault or some sort of flanking maneuver. A brigade or division commander should be judged on his ability to effectively execute line evolutions, understand and evaluate the nature of the local terrain and geography to properly carry out the attack plan, ensure march and battle discipline, coordinate movements within brigades and regiments, rally and inspire his troops, and provide for sufficient ammunition and supplies. Hood may have been qualified to command at brigade and division levels, but higher level responsibility required a series of other attributes for which he was probably lacking.
 
At Gettysburg, as a Division commander, I think he suggested moving around a flank and his idea was vetoed by his Corps commander, (probably for good reason, but thats a matter of opinion I guess).
After a late afternoon reconnaissance, Hood did suggest to Longstreet that Hood be allowed to envelop the exposed left flank of the Union at the Round Tops, leading to the rear of the federal wagon train depot. (This move was reminiscent of a grander flanking move that Longstreet had previously proposed to Lee and that was rejected.) Longstreet, already smarting from his own disapproval by Lee and the clock ticking for starting his assault, summarily disapproved Hood's recommendation. But the main point is that Hood was not necessarily a doctrinaire "frontal assault man," but was capable of developing more creative plans under appropriate conditions.
 
Sometimes, he could devise a sound plan, like at Spring Hill.
And perhaps Hood's failing at army command in that instance could be attributed to his apparent lack of attention to detail and failure to ensure that plans were clearly laid out, communicated to subordinate officers, and followed through by the army commander.
 
@Nathan Stuart In most circumstances I wouldn't imagine a brigade commander would be in a position to do much else other then attack where he was ordered. At Gettysburg, as a Division commander, I think he suggested moving around a flank and his idea was vetoed by his Corps commander, (probably for good reason, but thats a matter of opinion I guess).

But after he leaves the ANV, I'm at your mercy.

John

Agree. At places like Gaines Mill and Antietam (the Cornfield), he was following orders to launch direct frontal assaults with his units.

My point is that this mode of fighting clearly suited his psyche and inclinations – that's all he knew. He had no problem complying and adhering with such directions. He was also aided in these endeavors by commanding groups of combative Texans to carry out his instructions, whether reckless or otherwise.

True, at Gettysburg, he strongly and repeatedly suggested (and protested) moving around the southern side of Big Round Top (rejected by Longstreet). There is that memorable scene in the film, Gettysburg, of what the wounded Hood lying on his sick bed said to Longstreet, after the attack failed.

Hood's proposal to modify the attack plan at Gettysburg was perhaps a rare display by him of flexibly thinking beyond his fixations on direct frontal assaults. Suspect the roughness and unevenness of the rocky terrain at Little Round Top had a lot to with it, rather than strategic factors. It would have broken up his attack formations (his attacks were generally conducted over relatively flat and even ground). But his suggestion also demonstrated Hood's lack of understanding of the impact/benefits of a coordinated combined (with McLaws) attack and if implemented, it would also have isolated his Division from any support.

Hood would admit later (after the war), that his protest at Gettysburg was the only one he ever made against an order to advance and make an assault.

As you say, beyond the Army of Northern Virginia, well there is no question about it.
 
And perhaps Hood's failing at army command in that instance could be attributed to his apparent lack of attention to detail and failure to ensure that plans were clearly laid out, communicated to subordinate officers, and followed through by the army commander.

Agree with all that. And his lack of availability and presence at the crucial times.
 
Hood's proposal to modify the attack plan at Gettysburg was perhaps a rare display by him of flexibly thinking beyond his fixations on direct frontal assaults
I would add that Hood devised an attack plan at Atlanta that was based on Jackson's flank attack at Chancellorsville. Hood's plan had Hardee's Corps carry out an assault on the AotT's left flank, with coordinating moves by Wheeler and Cheatham. While the plan was bold in conception, it failed in its execution due among other things, to problems with marching troops into position, and effective countermeasures taken by General McPherson. But the point being, that Hood was capable of thinking beyond simple, direct assaults.
 
On July 12, 1864, Davis sent a telegraph to Lee stating his intention to sack Johnston from Army command and asking Lee for his thoughts about Hood as his replacement.

Lee promptly sent two replies to Davis on the same day.

Extracts from Lee's replies, relating to his opinion of Hood, are shown below:

..."Hood is a bold fighter. I am doubtful as to the other qualities"...

..."Hood is a good fighter, very industrious on the battlefied, careless off, & I have had no opportunity of judging his action, when the whole responsibility rested upon him. I have a very high opinion of his gallantry, earnestness & zeal. Genl Hardee has more experience in managing an army"...

Clearly, Lee expressed misgivings about Hood's prospective appointment to command of the Army. Perhaps he could have been more forthright with his views, but that was not his general manner.
I believe in those messages Lee also expressed regret at the necessity of relieving Johnston.
 
Frontal head-on attack was about the full extent of Hood's combat thinking.
I dont think this is a fair statement. He often utilized or recommend flanking movements, but he is most famous for straight on charges, both successful and unsuccessful.
 
I believe in those messages Lee also expressed regret at the necessity of relieving Johnston.
I believe in those messages Lee also expressed regret at the necessity of relieving Johnston.
Lee's reply was, ..."I regret the fact stated"...Think his regret was more to do with the statements (by Davis) of Johnston's failure and indications were that he would abandon Atlanta. In his same reply, however, Lee added, ..."It is a bad time to relieve the commander of an army situated as that of Tennessee"...
 
I would add that Hood devised an attack plan at Atlanta that was based on Jackson's flank attack at Chancellorsville. Hood's plan had Hardee's Corps carry out an assault on the AotT's left flank, with coordinating moves by Wheeler and Cheatham. While the plan was bold in conception, it failed in its execution due among other things, to problems with marching troops into position, and effective countermeasures taken by General McPherson. But the point being, that Hood was capable of thinking beyond simple, direct assaults.

Agreed. Hood had some grand notions trying to emulate the operations of the Army of Northern Virginia. He did devise some fairly sound plans at times during the Atlanta campaign. He just couldn't implement any of them, for one reason or another. That was part of his responsibility, as the Army leader.
 
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For what its worth, since its been such a long time since I read it, 1985 maybe. I want to like Hood. I think he was one of best Brigade commanders of the ANV and that his Brigade of Texans was what it was because of him, not because they were westerners or because they were from Texas. However, as I remember the book, I think it will leave you with the impression he was promoted above his capabilities, as seems to be the general consensus today.

For myself, reading about his later wartime commands above the brigade or division level is painful. I think Lee was accurate in his accessments of him, sadly.

John
You may be right, but it should be noted that [more than once] Lee asked for more troops from Texas based on his admiration and reliance upon them.
 
@danny Sorry, I didn't phrase that very well. I didn't mean to bash Texas or Western troops. Only that in my opinion Hood's leadership had more to do with the performance of his Texas Brigade just as Gibbon's had with the performance of his Iron Brigade.

John
 
@danny Sorry, I didn't phrase that very well. I didn't mean to bash Texas or Western troops. Only that in my opinion Hood's leadership had more to do with the performance of his Texas Brigade just as Gibbon's had with the performance of his Iron Brigade.

John
No worry, I didn't take it as bashing. I just wanted to add what may not have been known about Lee's admiration for the Texas troops.
The brigade was initially and briefly under the command of L T Wigfall until he took a seat in the Senate from the state of Texas. He worked on behalf of Lee to get more Texans.
 
Well, for one, the proposed flanking movement at Gettysburg, and Hardee's flank march at the Battle of Atlanta.

In my view, these are examples of rare displays in his thinking (contrasting with his actions at Gaines Mill, Antietam, Chickamauga, Peachtree Creek, Ezra Church, Franklin etc).

His proposal for a flanking movement at Gettysburg arose because of the difficulty and impracticality of the terrain to be crossed. (But for the terrain, I believe he would have urged for a frontal attack here, too).
 

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