Help with identification

[Billw12280]

Ok ladies and gentlemen, I know these are post ACW but I have been trying to find information on the guardsmen who wore these uniforms with no success. I am hoping somebody here can help. The first uniform is a 7th New York National Guard coat. This coat has NYSA buttons but much to my surprise today I found a stamp on the inside of the right sleeve with "S-55 07.INF" which to me says it was originally intended for the infantry and converted later to Artillery (any idea what the S-55 is?). There are 2 names listed inside on the S Morrison & Son label. Halstead is crossed off and Van Ark has been written over it. The tag also has a date of 2/2/81 CO I. Van Ark I is written in the left sleeve. There is also a handwritten tag stapled inside the left breast pocket that says "G.Bat". My Sherlock Holmes like reasoning tells me that Halstead was with the infantry and Van Ark was with the artillery, CO I, G Battery. I know amazing, right.

The next uniform is my Dandy 5th dress coatee. There are no makers labels or stamps anywhere but there are 2 names inside, GW Wiseman CO H, written over a crossed out Gass CO H. Again no luck finding anything about either.

If anybody can help bring life to these names I would be eternally grateful.

 

[lelliott19]

Cpl. William H. Halstead
Company H(?)
7th Regiment
New York State Militia
https://dmna.ny.gov/historic/reghist/civil/infantry/7thInfNYSM/7thInfNYSMPersonHalstead.htm

Richard Halstead
At the outbreak of the Civil War Halsted was a first lieutenant in the
7th Regiment, National Guard, State of New York, and accompanied
that regiment on its first campaign to Washington. He entered the
United States service June 14, 1861, as Major of the Fortieth Regiment,
New York Volunteers, and on April 26, 1863, was appointed Captain
and aide-de-camp to General Sedgwick.
http://www.beltroneandcompany.com/union-civil-war-uniform

 

[1867crete]

Wow Great uniforms! Very impressed I hope you find info on them wish I could help!!! I found a 7th New York sack coat that was determined to be post war WAS HOping for CW but still happy with the coat, but all hand done buttons holes collar etc.I bought at a flea market when I was 16! The 7th has a special place in my heart! Thanks for sharing your coats!

 

[Billw12280]

Cpl. William H. Halstead
Company H(?)
7th Regiment
New York State Militia
https://dmna.ny.gov/historic/reghist/civil/infantry/7thInfNYSM/7thInfNYSMPersonHalstead.htm

Richard Halstead
At the outbreak of the Civil War Halsted was a first lieutenant in the
7th Regiment, National Guard, State of New York, and accompanied
that regiment on its first campaign to Washington. He entered the
United States service June 14, 1861, as Major of the Fortieth Regiment,
New York Volunteers, and on April 26, 1863, was appointed Captain
and aide-de-camp to General Sedgwick.
http://www.beltroneandcompany.com/union-civil-war-uniform

Thanks @lelliot19, I ran across those as well but with my coat being post ACW I was thinking it would have to be somebody else? Unfortunately there is no first name, initial or other information to go off of.

 

[Billw12280]

T

Wow Great uniforms! Very impressed I hope you find info on them wish I could help!!! I found a 7th New York sack coat that was determined to be post war WAS HOping for CW but still happy with the coat, but all hand done buttons holes collar etc.I bought at a flea market when I was 16! The 7th has a special place in my heart! Thanks for sharing your coats!

Thank you, I love the uniforms especially since they have the names written inside. I always try to find as much information about the people as I can. I have been working off and on since I purchased them to find any information about the names but with no luck. I also purchased a post ACW great coat that belonged to Captain William H Goff. Researching him I found out that he was the first Building inspector in Attleboro Massachusetts. He even helped create the building codes. This was very interesting to me because I am a Code Enforcement Officer myself.

 

[Billw12280]

Wow Great uniforms! Very impressed I hope you find info on them wish I could help!!! I found a 7th New York sack coat that was determined to be post war WAS HOping for CW but still happy with the coat, but all hand done buttons holes collar etc.I bought at a flea market when I was 16! The 7th has a special place in my heart! Thanks for sharing your coats!

Do you still have your coat? If so can you post pictures? I always enjoy seeing other collections.

 

[1867crete]

Do you still have your coat? If so can you post pictures? I always enjoy seeing other collections.

Yes! I started a thread on CWT but can't figure out how to post the link?! I'm computer illiterate! But here it is. It was determined early IW I believe still in the 1860's or early 1870's

 

[Package4]

View attachment 178416
Ok ladies and gentlemen, I know these are post ACW but I have been trying to find information on the guardsmen who wore these uniforms with no success. I am hoping somebody here can help. The first uniform is a 7th New York National Guard coat. This coat has NYSA buttons but much to my surprise today I found a stamp on the inside of the right sleeve with "S-55 07.INF" which to me says it was originally intended for the infantry and converted later to Artillery (any idea what the S-55 is?). There are 2 names listed inside on the S Morrison & Son label. Halstead is crossed off and Van Ark has been written over it. The tag also has a date of 2/2/81 CO I. Van Ark I is written in the left sleeve. There is also a handwritten tag stapled inside the left breast pocket that says "G.Bat". My Sherlock Holmes like reasoning tells me that Halstead was with the infantry and Van Ark was with the artillery, CO I, G Battery. I know amazing, right. View attachment 178417 View attachment 178418 View attachment 178419 View attachment 178420 View attachment 178421The next uniform is my Dandy 5th dress coatee. There are no makers labels or stamps anywhere but there are 2 names inside, GW Wiseman CO H, written over a crossed out Gass CO H. Again no luck finding anything about either.View attachment 178423 View attachment 178424If anybody can help bring life to these names I would be eternally grateful.

Contact the Armory, which has records of past members:

5th Regiment Armory
29th Division Street
Baltimore, MD 21201
(410) 576-6000

 

[Billw12280]

Contact the Armory, which has records of past members:

5th Regiment Armory
29th Division Street
Baltimore, MD 21201
(410) 576-6000

I think I tried that before but didn't get an answer or they didn't get back with me. I don't recall exactly but definitely worth a try again. Thanks for the reminder!

 

[Billw12280]

Yes! I started a thread on CWT but can't figure out how to post the link?! I'm computer illiterate! But here it is. It was determined early IW I believe still in the 1860's or early 1870's

I'm the same with electronics but my kids can zoom right through things. They try to show me but sometimes you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

Nice coat! I would have thought Civil War for that one as well. What are the backmarks on the buttons? Beautiful coat either way.

 

[1867crete]

THey are Waterbury that according to American military buttons and there makers date 1860-1880 I believe. Can't remember for sure. But there is enough of a gap that you can't pin point it from buttons alone.i thought I had a hit a home room run with all the hand stitch etc but I love the coat CW would have just been icing on the cake!!! Love love love old wool! Hope you find out more on your coats! Keep us posted!

 

[Billw12280]

THey are Waterbury that according to American military buttons and there makers date 1860-1880 I believe. Can't remember for sure. But there is enough of a gap that you can't pin point it from buttons alone.i thought I had a hit a home room run with all the hand stitch etc but I love the coat CW would have just been icing on the cake!!! Love love love old wool! Hope you find out more on your coats! Keep us posted!

I still think you hit a home run. It's a great coat. I have just recently gotten into collecting uniforms so I'm still learning. I have the love for old wool items as well. There is nothing quite like holding a piece of uniform history.

Speaking of greatcoats, I have the opportunity to pick up a nice Civil War greatcoat or a 9 button Civil War frock coat. Both are in great shape and I'm having a hard time deciding which one to go with. I would love to have them both but unfortunately I only have the funds to pick up one of them. Opinions?

 

[1867crete]

Well factors like condition, identified, etc aside and the coats are equal. I think I would like the frock. More of a daily uniform that would have been worn more by the soldier. But the great coat perhaps could be hard to find as not as many may survive? I think mine would be the frock! @Package4 what are your opinions?! Again share photos and good luck on a tough choice!!!

 

[Billw12280]

Well factors like condition, identified, etc aside and the coats are equal. I think I would like the frock. More of a daily uniform that would have been worn more by the soldier. But the great coat perhaps could be hard to find as not as many may survive? I think mine would be the frock! @Package4 what are your opinions?! Again share photos and good luck on a tough choice!!!

They are both in amazing condition. I have always wanted a nice ACW frock coat but the greatcoat is really nice too and the prices are reasonable, I think ($4500 for the greatcoat and $2950 for the frock)? Unfortunately neither coat is identified. Here are the pictures.

 

[1867crete]

WOw great coats you have a tough decision! Yes both seem reasonable. I don't think you can do wrong.

 

[Billw12280]

WOw great coats you have a tough decision! Yes both seem reasonable. I don't think you can do wrong.

It has been tough for me to decide so I may just have to incur the wrath of my wife scorned.

 

[Package4]

It has been tough for me to decide so I may just have to incur the wrath of my wife scorned.

I think you can get the overcoat for less, it is killer and looks to have been issued, I always look for three things:

• Wear around the collar (check)
• Wear around the cuffs (check)
• Stains around the bottom/lower region; latrines were not heated (check)

You can deduct a bit for the lack of sleeve linings, which is most likely where the Id would have been and possibly manufacturer and inspector stamps.

The lining of the coat is pure sackcoat material.

The ask is in the range of the hey day of ACW cloth, without Id and with condition flaws.

Good luck!

 

[Billw12280]

I think you can get the overcoat for less, it is killer and looks to have been issued, I always look for three things:

• Wear around the collar (check)
• Wear around the cuffs (check)
• Stains around the bottom/lower region; latrines were not heated (check)

You can deduct a bit for the lack of sleeve linings, which is most likely where the Id would have been and possibly manufacturer and inspector stamps.

The lining of the coat is pure sackcoat material.

The ask is in the range of the hey day of ACW cloth, without Id and with condition flaws.

Good luck!

Thank you!

What do you think is a reasonable price is for the overcoat?

I did see the Horse Soldier has an identified overcoat grouping with a cartridge box and letters for not a lot more. The coat is not in as nice of condition though.

 

[Package4]

Thank you!

What do you think is a reasonable price is for the overcoat?

I did see the Horse Soldier has an identified overcoat grouping with a cartridge box and letters for not a lot more. The coat is not in as nice of condition though.

$3,500

The Horse Soldier coat is not that bad and I would have them deliver it to Debbie Sheads (S&S Sutler) up the road and she could repair the holes very easily, identified is always preferable, though this soldier did not serve long, there are the letters and box to be considered as well. The 115th was a 6 months regiment and suffered only one battle casualty, thus the low price.

 

[Package4]

I look at collecting almost like trading baseball cards as a kid, I find what I am looking for and then trade up as I discover other more desirable provenance and conditioned pieces. Research, research and research some more and be patient, many pieces are starting to hit the market, so there should not be a rush to purchase.

Dave Taylor just had an enlisted frock, sergeants stripes, sash and belt with buckle for $5,500. I'm sure it sold before the finger left the keyboard, but that is what we are now looking at for these pieces. An enlisted frock during the peak was easily $7,500-$10,000 alone, the stripes would have gone for $800, the sash another $800 and the belt $550. Keep in mind that the set was pieced together unidentified, but in pristine shape.