Help identifying another 1861-ish Rifle

[Cheecho42]

Here is another rifle I have that again I have no clue as to what it is. Looks similar to an 1861, but 36" (not sure where to measure from) or so length barrel (NAC stamped on it), U stamped bands (2), adjustable sight, faint cartouche markings in the stock, the lock appears old with no date or manufacturer stamped on it, US butt plate. Rifle operates properly with a little play in the trigger front to back. Would love to find a fair value and sell it as my interests are more towards WW1 and WW2. Any help identifying would be greatly appreciated.

 

[James N.]

Welcome to the forums! Unfortunately, your rifle looks like a Frankenmusket to me - the lock is basically that of a M.1863 Springfield, but the rest of it reminds me most of an 1870's Trapdoor Springfield, minus of course the trapdoor. The trumpet-headed ramrod looks like one from a M.1840 or 1842 musket, except for the weird swell that ought to be on a M.1861 Springfield?? But the real question is the apparently copper or brass breech and plug!?! Hopefully this will look familiar to some of our real firearms experts here - so far it smells to me most like something Francis Bannerman might have come up with 1890-1920's.

 

[ikesdad]

The rear sight appears to be for a Trapdoor. The barrel breech is stamped NAC....Numrich ? Hard to tell but the breech end of the stock looks to be inletted for a Trapdoor receiver. Butt is also trapdoor. I have a "Bannerman" lockplate that looks the same. They were originally 1861/1863 then thinned a bit for trapdoors, which took the stampings off.
It's a Frankenfield.

 

[Cheecho42]

I think your both right. I just looked at a few trapdoors and it appears to be very similar. Is this worth anything?

 

[Jobe Holiday]

It appears as if you have what was a Springfield Trapdoor Rifle that has had the Trapdoor barrel and hammer removed and replaced with a Numrich Arms .45 caliber drop-in percussion barrel and an original M-1863 hammer. The ram rod is from a British Martini Rifle. Way back in the late 1960's-early 1970's Numrich Arms Company, hence the NAC on your breech, sold these percussion .45 caliber Barrel and Hammer sets so that anyone who had a Model 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle could convert it to percussion either for hunting or muzzle loading club matches, which were very popular in those years. The conversion was non-destructive, so you could restore the rifle back to the original .45-70 government rifle any time you wanted to! Does it have value? Sure it does, but I haven't seen one for sale in years. The aggregate of the parts value would give you some idea. Those values can be found on numerous internet websites.
J.

 

[UCVRelics]

Welcome From The Heart Of Dixie. I see you already have your answers.

 

[johan_steele]

I tried to find them but had no luck; there was an outfit in the late 70's putting together hunting rifles out of Bannerman stockpiles and selling them on the cheap. I wonder if your two are of that type. Excellent black powder hunting rifles but not really worth a lot as a collectors piece.

I've seen a few at local gunshows in the last few years. I looked at them for their value in parts to recondition instead of as a shooter... but values vary from what I have seen in the $450 range on up a little.

 

[JOHN42768]

A unique mixture of parts to create a "Rare Collector" firearm