Tell me more! Heck of a first post.

[Rabbit2047]

So...

Trying to find a value on this beauty. I believe it is an original Griswold and Gunnison Confederate Revolver. The parts except for hammer spring and barrel wedge screw appear to be all original.


Various glamor shots and the serial:

5he mystery stamping of the number 4.

And the Double "M" stamping & Roman numeral etchings

If anyone is interested in purchasing pm me an offer.

 

[Lanyard Puller]

Interesting revolver. It appears the cylinder is a replacement, but stamped with the same dies as the "original" frame. Without inspecting it I'd have to doubt it's originality.

 

[Rabbit2047]

Interesting revolver. It appears the cylinder is a replacement, but stamped with the same dies as the "original" frame. Without inspecting it I'd have to doubt it's originality.

I can try and get a pic but there is definitely a twist pattern to the cylinder. It's just very hard to photograph.

 

[Lanyard Puller]

Tkx.

 

[UCVRelics]

I have to agree with @Lanyard Puller plus it is very hard to tell anything about a piece from just photos. IMHO I don't see the wear in the places I should see wear.

 

[Rabbit2047]

Tkx.

I can see plain as day but can't seem to get it photographed.

If this is a fake it is a very well done one.

 

[Rabbit2047]

I have to agree with @Lanyard Puller plus it is very hard to tell anything about a piece from just photos. IMHO I don't see the wear in the places I should see wear.

It's in pretty **** good shape I thought.

I looked and didn't see any evidence of Italian import marks being scrubbed, nor I find any evidence of scrubbing in other locations where reproduction marks would have been.

What about it the wear patterns leads you to doubt authenticity? That way in the future I can add that to my plethora of firearms knowledge. I have been a gunsmith for a little over a decade now and I am still l learning every day. Hahaha

 

[Rabbit2047]

Tkx.

By no means was I doubting your expertise on this because from what I have seen you are the Authority on G&Gs

 

[ConfederateCanuck]

Shouldn't the brass be more reddish than standard brass?

 

[hrobalabama]

Shouldn't the brass be more reddish than standard brass?

After collecting a antique guns for over 60 years, I am skeptical about any "old" weapon. I had 3 Anisworth's SAA. The last one was real nice.. But after being examined by Mr. Kopec, It was fake. Handmade by a skilled machinist......$$$$$$$ down the drain!

 

[Lanyard Puller]

I can see the lines around the circumference of the cylinder, but the twist in the iron bar , when it was twisted, cut and fashioned into the cylinder run from low left rear, up and over to the right, from butt to muzzle. Some better examples of these revolvers still show a slight color change along the twist lines. Some photos of the "twist" and the color change:

the color change; hard to see but some type of metallurgical difference; also slight pitting to almost smooth metal

 

[ConfederateCanuck]

I am not an expert in Griswold's but I have held and examined a fake. For more insights on Griswold's, go to my post titled "Griswold Ser#2714 - real or fake???" https://civilwartalk.com/posts/2061918


Also, could you please post a "head-on" picture of the serial # on the brass frame...it will allow a comparison with known serial # die-stamps. #3404 does not exist on the list of known Griswolds (see the other posting noted above).

 

[CivilWarTalk]

A adjusted the photos to a slightly smaller size so it's easier on the eyes to scroll past... you can still click on the photos to see them full size.

 

[sourdough]

I am not an expert in Griswold's but I have held and examined a fake. For more insights on Griswold's, go to my post titled "Griswold Ser#2714 - real or fake???" https://civilwartalk.com/posts/2061918

I well remember that thread. I hope it worked out well between you and your friend. What about the Marston?

Jim

 

[ConfederateCanuck]

I well remember that thread. I hope it worked out well between you and your friend. What about the Marston?

Jim

Ya well it didn't go quite so well. My friend doesn't believe its fake. We don't talk about the Griswold anymore cuz it leads to some awkwardness. I won't be going down such rabbit-holes in future. Then there's the guy who has the fake Colt Walker...I won't be mentioning to him that it's an obvious fake. There is an original with the same serial number, in pretty bad shape....story on that was that it was found in the 1970s beneath a tree trunk in Minnesota or Wisconson (you know, one of those "Canadian" states).

Clearly there are many fakes out there if, in my mere 3 years of collecting percussion guns, I have seen two high-profile fakes.

 

[Rabbit2047]

I am not an expert in Griswold's but I have held and examined a fake. For more insights on Griswold's, go to my post titled "Griswold Ser#2714 - real or fake???" https://civilwartalk.com/posts/2061918


Also, could you please post a "head-on" picture of the serial # on the brass frame...it will allow a comparison with known serial # die-stamps. #3404 does not exist on the list of known Griswolds (see the other posting noted above).

Sure thing.

 

[ConfederateCanuck]

Comparing the 4 in your pic to the 4 in pic on page 2 of the post I noted above (pic shows 3 griswolds, one ser# 1741) they don't match .... do others agree?

 

[zburkett]

What history do you have on the pistol?

 

[sourdough]

What history do you have on the pistol?

I would also like to know of any provenance on your gun. Griswold and Gunnison revolvers are some of the most faked revolvers on the planet.

Jim

 

[Rabbit2047]

The post I am typing keeps disappearing whenever I get a text message and my phone is going off like I just hit the jackpot on a slot machine right now.

I will post the story of my acquisition and miniscule knowledge of where they came from when I can get to my computer.

I am considering sending it to an Authenticator. Any recommendations?