Got This 2 Percussion Long Guns

[Decembrist]

not sure what they are

#1
.32 cal

 

[Decembrist]

#2
.50 cal

 

[johan_steele]

Both are civilian arms made during the percussion era.

 

[JackADriscoll]

Any writing on them especially on top of the barrels?

 

[Decembrist]

no I dont see nothing

 

[JackADriscoll]

Without more information like writing or makers marks or stamps on the guns I won't be able to tell you anything

 

[7thWisconsin]

Both are civilian arms made during the percussion era.

Do you think they were always percussion or were they converted from flintlock? I can make that long rifle into a late 1812-1820 rifle, especially with that patch box detail. I think the half-stock rifle is younger, based on the fact that the stock doesn´t drop as much. I really like the inlay on that one. They both look like they were modified for a percussion nipple.

 

[Kyle Kalasnik]

There is the American Long Rifle Forum, they might be able to help you out.

A good friend of mine, had a non military percussion rifle and brought it over.

My buddy Shawn explained it was his an heirloom, and not something his father or grandfather had purchased.

I took a bunch of pictures (markings, proofs, and cartouches are imperative and really help) and posted it.

A legit back story / provenience can help too.

Someone on that forum replied with the builders information from the 1850s - 70s. The gunsmith was from Bath, NY (40 miles north, across the state line) which my friend's great grandparents were originally from that area.

Although it was not used in the Civil War, my friend was tickled that we were able to find out roughly how old it was and it's orgin.

 

[johan_steele]

Do you think they were always percussion or were they converted from flintlock? I can make that long rifle into a late 1812-1820 rifle, especially with that patch box detail. I think the half-stock rifle is younger, based on the fact that the stock doesn´t drop as much. I really like the inlay on that one. They both look like they were modified for a percussion nipple.

The locks were percussion from the start. But there was a thriving upgrade business. I would say both were quality from the start.

 

[Tanglewood]

Nice rifles. The lock on the first rifle pictured is marked, but it could be either the lock maker or the gun maker. It is kind of hard to read, but the lower word - could - be Cinncinati. Look closely under good light, take some more pictures and zoom in, then
you can probably decipher the markings.

 

[Decembrist]

Nice rifles. The lock on the first rifle pictured is marked, but it could be either the lock maker or the gun maker. It is kind of hard to read, but the lower word - could - be Cinncinati. Look closely under good light, take some more pictures and zoom in, then
you can probably decipher the markings.

hard to read
T........
Cincinnati

 

[Decembrist]

T Davison

 

[JackADriscoll]

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I can see what looks like proof marks on the barrel too right above the lock

 

[JackADriscoll]

Accidental double post

 

[DixieRifles]

Nice rifles. I like everything about that first one. My replica .36 cal has German silver inlay Fish- but I've never seen a Shark! Maybe its not a shark. Cool.

 

[Decembrist]

Nice rifles. I like everything about that first one. My replica .36 cal has German silver inlay Fish- but I've never seen a Shark! Maybe its not a shark. Cool.

looks like haddock

 

[R. Porter]

The first rifle has an English style cheek rest; it swoops down in a curve. The fact that it has it on both sides of the stock is highly unusual. I feel like I've seen that extremely pointed crescent lock bolt plate somewhere but I just can't remember where. I like the fish. With such a small bore it was probably not made as a trade gun.

I like the profile of the second gun. It makes me think of southeastern Pennsylvania. I think by the time percussion locks were in vogue longrifle bores tended to fall in the 30 - 40 cal. range. 50 cal. may argue for an earlier life as a flintlock.

Disclaimer: I know even less about guns than I do about swords.

 

[DixieRifles]

looks like haddock

Thanks. That's not a fish that you find around here.