Gillilands in Alabama

[ghostchaser]

I just realized, a few weeks ago, just how deep this can get.
I have known for years my 3g grandfather and two sons (2g grandfather and a brother) were in the 58th AL.
GGGgrandfather JA Gilliland, GGgrandfather Eli (EB) Gilliland, (Eli's brother) EF Gilliland.
About a year ago I discovered that JA had one child from a 1st marriage, WV Gilliland (Half brother to EB and EF) who also served in the 58th.
A couple weeks ago I noticed that DHP Gilliland was a witness for WV's pension. DHP is a brother to JA, and also served in the 58th.
Then I found this: http://www.nps.gov/stri/historyculture/upload/Gilliland_William_Letters.pdf

JA had a brother named William B, who was married to a Martha, and the childrens names are the same. I was still thinking there was a chance this was not the same William until I read the last letter of the collection. Written to Martha from HF Gilliland (My JA also had a brother HF) from Mobile with the 58th. I haven't found any millitary records for HF, though.
Also, HJ Gilliland killed at Spanish Fort, Buried at Magnolia. My JA had a brother named Hiram Jackson, who the family has listed as "died before 1867". The Family tree also has William listed as "died before 1867"

Any thoughts, ideas, clues? I would love to be able to find a sure connection.

 

[Robtweb1]

What was JA's wife's name? A brother may have married his widow. Also, a brother may have taken his children to raise after his death.

I had a great-grandfather at Spanish Fort - 9th TX Inf.

 

[ghostchaser]

JA (James Alexander) was married to Mahulda Ricks.
I also just made the connection with "died before 1867". In 1867, JA, as admin of their fathers will, asked the court for an "order of sale of certain lands". The other children would need to consent, or object. The two in question, being deceased.
Also of note, the judge in this matter was none other than John W. Inzer.

 

[ghostchaser]

As for Martha, wife of William, I would have to look back at my book, but I believe she ended up in TN. Which is where she was born.

 

[5fish]

Here are most of the graves are buried in the same cemetery......

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=vcsr&GSsr=1&GSvcid=69127&

 

[5fish]

Here is genealogy of the Gilliland family you talk of.....Here is the link...I think it should answer your questions I hope...


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~greentree/gilliland.htm


Here is a forum on the Gilliland's

http://users.boardnation.com/~gillilandtrails/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=476

 

[ghostchaser]

Thanks fish, I have all of that. I, too, will be buried in that cemetery. I will be the 7th generation in a direct line. What I am trying to figure out is whether or not the William B. who wrote the letters is the same William B who is a brother to my ggg grandfather. Also, the last letter in the collection is written by H.F., then signed Franklin. We have an H.F., but his middle name does not show up as Franklin. Franklin is a popular name in our family, however.
I have cleared up the confusion around H.J., and am about 90% sure that ours is the one killed at Spanish Fort.

 

[5fish]

Thanks fish, I have all of that. I, too, will be buried in that cemetery. I will be the 7th generation in a direct line. What I am trying to figure out is whether or not the William B. who wrote the letters is the same William B who is a brother to my ggg grandfather. Also, the last letter in the collection is written by H.F., then signed Franklin. We have an H.F., but his middle name does not show up as Franklin. Franklin is a popular name in our family, however.
I have cleared up the confusion around H.J., and am about 90% sure that ours is the one killed at Spanish Fort.

When I get stuck I look for other people researching the same family tree and see if they have any info about the family that I can use. Have you used the Gilliland's forum to see if it could help? You may want to contact the person who's family tree I found.. [email protected] to see if he has any insight into your Gilliand family tree. Unless H.F. and W.B are form another branch of the family tree I think it must be them. I want to note in the link to that family tree H.J. and W.B. both die in Feb of 1867 ,well after the war was over.

 

[5fish]

Hey, Did you know you relatives play music....Muster of the 18th Alabama infantry...It looks like DHP, E.B.. Eli, Hiram, and William V. are in this regiment...and E.B., Eli, and William V. are musician in the regiment...

http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/u/Terrie-J-Routh-Yellville/FILE/0001text.txt

It looks like they moved form the 58th to the 18th regiment or the other way...They are not listed as musician in the 58th regiment...

It looks like you are right Hiram Gilliland died at Mobile,Al in April 1, 1864...the link...

http://files.usgwarchives.org/al/mobile/military/civilwar/other/somealab120nmt.txt


That both the 58th and the 18th were station in Mobile during the war....

I found this CW pensions from Etowah county....

http://files.usgwarchives.net/al/etowah/military/civilwar/other/somecivi97gmt.txt

 

[ghostchaser]

Thanks again, fish. Eli (E.B. same person) is my gg grandfather. He and brother W.V., along with uncle DHP followed the 58th from it's start as the 9th AL Bat. At some point they combined with 18th and became the 58th prior to Chickamauga, which was consolidated with the 32nd some time after Chickamauga. They are listed as "men served with" in Inzers Diary. As for the rest of the gang, the 58th is the only place that I have seen records. JA (Eli and WV Dad) and EF (their younger brother) only show up in 58th. My theory is: 1.) EF was too young prior to the formation of the 58th, and 2.) JA would not let him go without going, as well. Again, just my theory, as JA already had 2 sons and perhaps 4 brothers already fighting.
Your finding on Hiram helps me bump the status of that to 99% sure. Hiram Jackson is his name on their fathers will. The gravestone in mobile has HJ Gilliland.

 

[ghostchaser]

"H.J. and W.B. both die in Feb of 1867 ,well after the war was over."

Most of what I have says 'before 1867'.

"In 1867, JA, as admin of their fathers will, asked the court for an "order of sale of certain lands". The other children would need to consent, or object. The two in question, being deceased"

 

[Savez]

Hey Sorry I haven't been on here in a while. I am researching a book on the 58th Alabama. The Gillillands are my ancestors. William Van Buren was my 3rd great grandfather. James A., Elijah and Edward F. are buried in my Church's cemetery. Hiram Jackson (H. J.) is buried in Snead, Alabama but has a tombstone at Magnolia. I saw it just the other day. Not sure in which place his remains are. How did you find that letter?? That is awesome. Send me an email. I've got a huge book on the Gillilands. It gets confusing. My email is [email protected]. I know a guy that has tapes of Edward F's son telling stories his dad told him. Having trouble getting to them though. Check my posts on the 58th on here. Their history is so scattered. They were called 9th battalion, disbanded, put in 18th, 19th and 17th Alabama. Reorganized as 9th battalion. Had two companies of sharpshooters added and then became 58th. Then were consolidated with 32nd Alabama after Chickamauga.

 

[Glorybound]

Hey Sorry I haven't been on here in a while. I am researching a book on the 58th Alabama. The Gillillands are my ancestors. William Van Buren was my 3rd great grandfather. James A., Elijah and Edward F. are buried in my Church's cemetery. Hiram Jackson (H. J.) is buried in Snead, Alabama but has a tombstone at Magnolia. I saw it just the other day. Not sure in which place his remains are. How did you find that letter?? That is awesome. Send me an email. I've got a huge book on the Gillilands. It gets confusing. My email is [email protected]. I know a guy that has tapes of Edward F's son telling stories his dad told him. Having trouble getting to them though. Check my posts on the 58th on here. Their history is so scattered. They were called 9th battalion, disbanded, put in 18th, 19th and 17th Alabama. Reorganized as 9th battalion. Had two companies of sharpshooters added and then became 58th. Then were consolidated with 32nd Alabama after Chickamauga.

Hey! Welcome back, Savez...been wonderin' where you went. Can't help you much with your search but it's good to hear from you again. Stay in touch with us, from down there in the "heart o' Dixie."

 

[Savez]

Hey! Welcome back, Savez...been wonderin' where you went. Can't help you much with your search but it's good to hear from you again. Stay in touch with us, from down there in the "heart o' Dixie."

Thanks! I'm always kind of absent in the summers. Don't worry. I'm lurking. I'll be back in full force in the fall. Its good to know that I was missed. haha! And good to know that somebody else is interested in the 58th. Also still amazed at how 5fish seems to find this stuff like he does. My search engines are not that powerful apparently.

 

[Glorybound]

Also still amazed at how 5fish seems to find this stuff like he does. My search engines are not that powerful apparently.

Yeah I hear ya....Fish is pretty awesome with his searches...and M.E. Wolf ain't too shabby either!

 

[ghostchaser]

Hey Sorry I haven't been on here in a while. I am researching a book on the 58th Alabama. The Gillillands are my ancestors. William Van Buren was my 3rd great grandfather. James A., Elijah and Edward F. are buried in my Church's cemetery. Hiram Jackson (H. J.) is buried in Snead, Alabama but has a tombstone at Magnolia. I saw it just the other day. Not sure in which place his remains are. How did you find that letter?? That is awesome. Send me an email. I've got a huge book on the Gillilands. It gets confusing. My email is [email protected]. I know a guy that has tapes of Edward F's son telling stories his dad told him. Having trouble getting to them though. Check my posts on the 58th on here. Their history is so scattered. They were called 9th battalion, disbanded, put in 18th, 19th and 17th Alabama. Reorganized as 9th battalion. Had two companies of sharpshooters added and then became 58th. Then were consolidated with 32nd Alabama after Chickamauga.

Elijah is my gg grandfather. I would love to hear those tapes. I have the letters saved on my work computer, but I will send them to you. I would love to have another "inside oppinion", but I just can't see him not being our William.

 

[5fish]

"H.J. and W.B. both die in Feb of 1867 ,well after the war was over."

Most of what I have says 'before 1867'.

"In 1867, JA, as admin of their fathers will, asked the court for an "order of sale of certain lands". The other children would need to consent, or object. The two in question, being deceased"

I have found genealogy of the family having them both passing in 1865 but we know H J died in mobile in April of 1864...I found a genealogy that had the name Franklin as part of JA first son full name...if that

 

[ghostchaser]

I have found genealogy of the family having them both passing in 1865 but we know H J died in mobile in April of 1864...I found a genealogy that had the name Franklin as part of JA first son full name...if that

Franklin is used quite often throughout the line. JA's 3rd son, also in the 58th, was Edward Franklin. The "overuse" of names plagues our genealogy. Everything that I have found lists our HF as Harvey Forney, yet the HF from the last letter signs it Franklin. Could be that Forney was recorded incorrectly? I don't know. May not even be from our line. Everything else sure seems to match, though.

 

[O'Bruadair]

ghost,

I hadn't seen all this when I asked if you were descended from James of Greasy Cove. Guess we are cousins then and we are cousins with Savez too. Small world. Speaking of overuse of names the fellow who used to do all my mechanics work is James Gilliland (yes a distant cousin too and I and he don't live anywhere near Greasy Cove.)