Georgia p1853 Cavalry Saber

[Dbackfed29]

I recently picked up this Georgia marked p1853 British Cavalry Saber made by Isaac and Co. An unknown number were purchased by Georgia from the several thousand sabers imported during the Civil War. The scabbard is an older British one but the leather grip is in wonderful shape.

 

[scooter748driver]

Congratulations!

 

[Lanyard Puller]

Nice find, and 100% correct. Now there are 11 that are known.

 

[Dbackfed29]

Nice find, and 100% correct. Now there are 11 that are known. View attachment 492831View attachment 492833

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Gorgeous!

 

[Choatecav]

What a beautiful piece of history. I have a P1853 that was not bought by Georgia nor made by Isaac & Co. but it is in wonderful condition and I love it.
I would never ask you what you gave for it, but I am interested in if you acquired it from an individual owner or perhaps an auction house. If you'd rather not say, I understand.

 

[Specster]

I recently picked up this Georgia marked p1853 British Cavalry Saber made by Isaac and Co. An unknown number were purchased by Georgia from the several thousand sabers imported during the Civil War. The scabbard is an older British one but the leather grip is in wonderful shape.

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Congrats....looks like you have a nice relic...legit. What did you pay if you dont mind saying?

 

[Dbackfed29]

Above $2000. A wonderful example was sold for $10k+ by Old South Antiques. Mine isn't at that level but I figured it was worth it based on the rarity of Confederate state-purchased weapons.
Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Louisiana Enfields are typically above $8000-$10000, so I surmise there is also a slight premium on state-marked p53 sabers as well.

 

[UCVRelics]

Congrats on a FANTASTIC new addition. Thanks for sharing it with us.

 

[Tanglewood]

Nice find, and 100% correct. Now there are 11 that are known.

Lanyard Puller.
I have one which may or may not be on the "registry". I traded away my well known G marked saber with G marked scabbard a good while back. That one had traces of gold paint, presumably from a GAR post, and it went to a very talkative collector from Winston Salem. I don't know who has it now.

Happily, I acquired another G marked a couple of years ago from an individual in Missouri. It was fresh to the market, with a pitted guard and scabbard, but a gorgeous blade. Since I've been pretty much under the radar with chemo/pandemic cautions the last couple of years, I have never taken it to a show and don't know that I've mentioned it to you or anyone else. Here's a few photos.

 

[Tanglewood]

I recently picked up this Georgia marked p1853 British Cavalry Saber made by Isaac and Co. An unknown number were purchased by Georgia from the several thousand sabers imported during the Civil War. The scabbard is an older British one but the leather grip is in wonderful shape.

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That's about as nice a grip as you could ever hope to find. Beautiful.

 

[MarkTK36thIL]

Nice find, and 100% correct. Now there are 11 that are known. View attachment 492831View attachment 492833

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Never knew they were that rare!

 

[Lanyard Puller]

OMG ! The "Now there are 11 that are known" is my list. There's got to be many more out there and in collections.

 

[Obi1gr]

OMG ! The "Now there are 11 that are known" is my list. There's got to be many more out there and in collections.

I've got one as well...although I don't have access to it for pictures.

 

[MarkTK36thIL]

Then why keep track?

OMG ! The "Now there are 11 that are known" is my list. There's got to be many more out there and in collections.

 

[gc45]

i can only dream of having any CW saber, nice find and thanks for sharing.

 

[Specster]

Above $2000. A wonderful example was sold for $10k+ by Old South Antiques. Mine isn't at that level but I figured it was worth it based on the rarity of Confederate state-purchased weapons.
Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Louisiana Enfields are typically above $8000-$10000, so I surmise there is also a slight premium on state-marked p53 sabers as well.

There was a confederate saber from a note worthy Reb Officer with full provinance sold at auction (physically) in Massachusetts but the auction was online as well. It was from a Texas unit.....its been over2 years. it sold for over $35k

 

[JoeCollector]

Wow! What an awesome find. That's what I call a real Christmas present.

 

[Old Soldier]

These are P1853 cavalry SWORDS in their official title. In British terms, a sabre (saber) is more curved. The US term for all cavalry swords is 'saber'. (correct me if I am wrong) They were for issue to 'other Ranks' as officers bought their own. Like the Enfield P1853, they were used to effect in the Crimean War. These are 'private purchase' and will bear no acceptance marks. It appears that Georgia put in an order for a number of arms in 1861 without goung through central government. The 'G' was prpbably stamped on before loading for export, as were the Enfields, and appear to have been shipped in boxes of 25.

Tim Prince of College Hill Arsenal ( https://collegehillarsenal.com/confederate-purchased-georgia-g-p-1853-saber) has found evidence that there were 1,000 swords ordered together with 1,000 sword belts and sword knots in 1861, but none are directly attributed to the Gerogia order. Given the fuss about Georgian Enfields in these early shipments, it seems likely that these were the swords landed in 1862. Equally, since the term 'swords' was used, it will have been taken directly from the manufacturer's invoice and ships' cargo lists rather than off-loaded accounting lists

 

[Dbackfed29]

Well, I found a nicer one. The grip is a little more worn on one side but the blade and scabbard are like new, and mort importantly, match. Maybe they're pretty common after all?

These are P1853 cavalry SWORDS in their official title. In British terms, a sabre (saber) is more curved. The US term for all cavalry swords is 'saber'. (correct me if I am wrong) They were for issue to 'other Ranks' as officers bought their own. Like the Enfield P1853, they were used to effect in the Crimean War. These are 'private purchase' and will bear no acceptance marks. It appears that Georgia put in an order for a number of arms in 1861 without goung through central government. The 'G' was prpbably stamped on before loading for export, as were the Enfields, and appear to have been shipped in boxes of 25.

Tim Prince of College Hill Arsenal ( https://collegehillarsenal.com/confederate-purchased-georgia-g-p-1853-saber) has found evidence that there were 1,000 swords ordered together with 1,000 sword belts and sword knots in 1861, but none are directly attributed to the Gerogia order. Given the fuss about Georgian Enfields in these early shipments, it seems likely that these were the swords landed in 1862. Equally, since the term 'swords' was used, it will have been taken directly from the manufacturer's invoice and ships' cargo lists rather than off-loaded accounting lists

 

[scooter748driver]

You should buy a lottery ticket