George Meade being Snubbed

[John Hartwell]

In this Mathew Brady photo of Gen. Meade and Staff, can anyone identify the bearded gentleman seated, with his back turned as if to be pointedly ignoring Meade? I'm sure he's not, but it is an unusual pose.

[https://www.nationalreview.com/photos/bradys-generals/#slide-11]​

 

[8thFlorida]

It looks like Union General Patrick but I could be wrong.

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

It is an interesting photograph. Hmm. I was inclined to think it just one of those stiffly posed, era shots? Then noticed a gentleman well, inserted, for want of a better word, between them.

Pretty convinced an awful lot of photos have various elements of significance ( no hidden meanings, we're intended to get it ), lost 150 years later.

Is this guy older than Patrick? Not arguing, Patrick had the white hair but looked awfully lean and vigorous, no?

 

[8thFlorida]

Yes I agree with that. He looks older than Patrick possibly.

 

[Claude Bauer]

In this Mathew Brady photo of Gen. Meade and Staff, can anyone identify the bearded gentleman seated, with his back turned as if to be pointedly ignoring Meade? I'm sure he's not, but it is an unusual pose.
View attachment 194533

[https://www.nationalreview.com/photos/bradys-generals/#slide-11]​

I don't know who he is, but I suspect the seating was meant more to contribute to the symmetry of the overall group image rather than as a deliberate snub, but anything's possible. Without some historical evidence that it was an intentional insult, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. I like the fellow on the far right with his arms akimbo.

 

[John Hartwell]

It is an interesting photograph. Hmm. I was inclined to think it just one of those stiffly posed, era shots? Then noticed a gentleman well, inserted, for want of a better word, between them.

Pretty convinced an awful lot of photos have various elements of significance ( no hidden meanings, we're intended to get it ), lost 150 years later.

Is this guy older than Patrick? Not arguing, Patrick had the white hair but looked awfully lean and vigorous, no?

Yes I agree with that. He looks older than Patrick possibly.

Yes. Older and bushier!


EDIT: removed incorrect photo (Marsena Patrick)

 

[8thFlorida]

Yes. Older and bushier!


EDIT: removed incorrect photo (Marsena Patrick)

He looks like the same individual next to Grant. Same website as referenced on the thread.

 

[diane]

I don't know who the fellow is, but wouldn't say it was a deliberate snub. The ground is really uneven - don't think he could have sat in the chair facing front without it tipping over! Meade doesn't seem perturbed in the slightest, whatever the meaning.

 

[8thFlorida]

Yes. Older and bushier!


EDIT: removed incorrect photo (Marsena Patrick)

My last guess is Thomas Jefferson Jordan from the 9th PA Cavalry.

 

[John Hartwell]

View attachment 194602
He looks like the same individual next to Grant. Same website as referenced on the thread.

On reflection I think you're right.
Trying a google search for "general R. A. Patrick," finds nothing -- no photos at all, except one at several places on Pinterest, who is actually Marsena Patrick. That's what threw me off. What is R. A.'s first name?

 

[8thFlorida]

Rudolph I think

 

[8thFlorida]

I have no idea! Just pulling names out of you know where! but if anyone knows I would sleep well tonight.

 

[Andy Cardinal]

I would say Patrick.

 

[8thFlorida]

I would say Patrick.

I guess my first guess was right?

 

[rpkennedy]

I guess my first guess was right?

I would say yes, you were right. It looks to be Marsena Patrick.

Ryan

 

[WJC]

My last guess is Thomas Jefferson Jordan from the 9th PA Cavalry.

Is that a wartime photo? The wartime photos of Jordan I have seen show a high forehead, but considerably more hair with the same scraggly beard, but very little grey.
Maybe he aged considerably in combat.

 

[WJC]

In this Mathew Brady photo of Gen. Meade and Staff,

Great photo! Thanks for sharing!

 

[8thFlorida]

I know Jordan spent some time in prison during the war so that would definitely age you. Everyone on here seems to think the unidentified bearded man is Patrick though. What say you?

Is that a wartime photo? The wartime photos of Jordan I have seen show a high forehead, but considerably more hair with the same scraggly beard, but very little grey.
Maybe he aged considerably in combat.

 

[WJC]

Another photo taken at the time. Note the added person, also facing to his right....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/usnationalarchives/3996040906/

 

[WJC]

Everyone on here seems to think the unidentified bearded man is Patrick though. What say you?

Thanks for your response.
I have no idea.