General question

[David Ireland]

Here's the index card I'm wondering about reconciling with this record:

http://www.pa-roots.com/pacw/infantry/15th/15thcoe.html

Here's the muster roll for that regiment:

http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r19-65RegisterPaVolunteers/r19-65Regt015/r19-65Regt015 pg 21.pdf

 

[David Ireland]

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Update and questions:

Here's the muster roll. His name is the very last one in the company.

http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r19-65RegisterPaVolunteers/r19-65Regt056/r19-65Regt056 pg 17.pdf

1. What does it say after the number 13 under "recruited by whom"?

2. Why would this index card (attachment) show him doing a 3 month enlistment with the 15th, along with this record?

http://www.pa-roots.com/pacw/infantry/15th/15thcoe.html

@rpkennedy @east tennessee roots @major bill @jgoodguy

I'm curious what you guys think about the 3 month card despite the fact that there's only one Joseph Winters in that cemetery. Is that likely a scriveners error?

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving

 

[rpkennedy]

It looks like "Dist" to me which indicates District.

Ryan

 

[archieclement]

Have you considered the possibility that when he lied about his age to join he also used another name? Then later he was called up under his real name?

It's also possible he was embellishing his service, seems to have been rather common as well

 

[David Ireland]

It's also possible he was embellishing his service, seems to have been rather common as well

But what about that card?

 

[archieclement]

If you have a oral history passed down, and a card service record that are odds, I'd venture the oral may have been embellished. By may, mean it should be considered as one possibility.

For example my GGGF served, I know all the units he served with. However in the early 1900's he gave an interview to the local paper in which he stated he never surrended, so when he died he'd proudly die as a confederate.....I assume that reflects his sentiments, however his name does appear on those surrendered and paroled at Shreveport. Another example is postwar as Frank James pointed out the sheer number of people who claimed to have rode with Quantrill, there wasn't that many who served with him to begin with, and even less who survived.

Stories and claims tend to get better with age......would say its possible something like i invented running that day, except back then they called it desertion, may have been colorful embellishment of scared, rather then littoral admission of having a deserter status.

 

[WJC]

It's also possible he was embellishing his service, seems to have been rather common as well

Thanks for your response.
Yes, or family misstatement of the facts or embellishment. Not uncommon for the facts to be lost over the years even with the best intentions of preserving accuracy.

 

[treebie2000]

It looks like "Dist" to me which indicates District.

Ryan

13th District PA

 

[rpkennedy]

13th District PA

Agreed.

Ryan

 

[treebie2000]

I took a look at some of this and found index cards for 2 Joseph Winters: http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp
The link below will lead you to both of them in 3 or 4 "clicks".
I uploaded images of both their cards but I am struggling to get them to post here.
http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp
Joseph #1 who served in the 15th (90 day) Inf. is problematic. His card says he was 40 at the time he enlisted in 1861. It also says he was born in 1841. This would obviously make him 19 or 20 in 1861.
It further states that he was discharged in 1867, when everything I've found says he mustered out with his Regt. on 8 Aug 1861.
I'd say that card is badly flawed, and not to be depended on without corroborating documents.
He is buried at Shoemaker Cemetery in Dalton, PA in Lackawanna Co. Is that where you posted the picture from?

Joseph #2 of Co. B, 56th Inf. was 22 years old when drafted in 1864 (could have been born in 1841)
(https://pawchs.org/draft-list-sep-1864/)
He was drafted in the 13th District of Pennsylvania from Tunkhannock Twp. as recorded in the Wyoming Republican on 5 Oct 1864. That draft was held 29 Sep 1864.
So, although the 56th was at the Wilderness in May, Joseph didn't join them until much later. Nor was he at Gettysburg a year prior. (Unless serving in an Emergency Militia situation as suggested earlier).
If you have family evidence that Amanda was his wife, I'd say (by virtue of the pension card), that this is your guy.
Doesn't preclude Joseph #1 from being the same man. He may have served in 3 different units.
I noted that Joseph #3 20th Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry Militia (Emergency, 1863 has the middle initial H.
Might be a helpful clue down the road.
I thought it was interesting to note that BOTH the 15th Inf and the 56th Inf were recruited in part in Luzerne County.
As you probably know, this county abuts to the south of Wyoming County where you originally stated your Joseph had enlisted from. And Lackawanna county (where Joseph #1 is buried lies directly east of, and abuts both Wyoming and Luzerne Counties.
Coincidence?

 

[treebie2000]

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[David Ireland]

I took a look at some of this and found index cards for 2 Joseph Winters: http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp
The link below will lead you to both of them in 3 or 4 "clicks".
I uploaded images of both their cards but I am struggling to get them to post here.
http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp
Joseph #1 who served in the 15th (90 day) Inf. is problematic. His card says he was 40 at the time he enlisted in 1861. It also says he was born in 1841. This would obviously make him 19 or 20 in 1861.
It further states that he was discharged in 1867, when everything I've found says he mustered out with his Regt. on 8 Aug 1861.
I'd say that card is badly flawed, and not to be depended on without corroborating documents.
He is buried at Shoemaker Cemetery in Dalton, PA in Lackawanna Co. Is that where you posted the picture from?

Joseph #2 of Co. B, 56th Inf. was 22 years old when drafted in 1864 (could have been born in 1841)
(https://pawchs.org/draft-list-sep-1864/)
He was drafted in the 13th District of Pennsylvania from Tunkhannock Twp. as recorded in the Wyoming Republican on 5 Oct 1864. That draft was held 29 Sep 1864.
So, although the 56th was at the Wilderness in May, Joseph didn't join them until much later. Nor was he at Gettysburg a year prior. (Unless serving in an Emergency Militia situation as suggested earlier).
If you have family evidence that Amanda was his wife, I'd say (by virtue of the pension card), that this is your guy.
Doesn't preclude Joseph #1 from being the same man. He may have served in 3 different units.
I noted that Joseph #3 20th Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry Militia (Emergency, 1863 has the middle initial H.
Might be a helpful clue down the road.
I thought it was interesting to note that BOTH the 15th Inf and the 56th Inf were recruited in part in Luzerne County.
As you probably know, this county abuts to the south of Wyoming County where you originally stated your Joseph had enlisted from. And Lackawanna county (where Joseph #1 is buried lies directly east of, and abuts both Wyoming and Luzerne Counties.
Coincidence?

Thanks for your helpful research! Amanda was his wife, and, yes, this picture is from Dalton Shoemaker Cemetery.

 

[David Ireland]

I took a look at some of this and found index cards for 2 Joseph Winters: http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp
The link below will lead you to both of them in 3 or 4 "clicks".
I uploaded images of both their cards but I am struggling to get them to post here.
http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp
Joseph #1 who served in the 15th (90 day) Inf. is problematic. His card says he was 40 at the time he enlisted in 1861. It also says he was born in 1841. This would obviously make him 19 or 20 in 1861.
It further states that he was discharged in 1867, when everything I've found says he mustered out with his Regt. on 8 Aug 1861.
I'd say that card is badly flawed, and not to be depended on without corroborating documents.
He is buried at Shoemaker Cemetery in Dalton, PA in Lackawanna Co. Is that where you posted the picture from?

Joseph #2 of Co. B, 56th Inf. was 22 years old when drafted in 1864 (could have been born in 1841)
(https://pawchs.org/draft-list-sep-1864/)
He was drafted in the 13th District of Pennsylvania from Tunkhannock Twp. as recorded in the Wyoming Republican on 5 Oct 1864. That draft was held 29 Sep 1864.
So, although the 56th was at the Wilderness in May, Joseph didn't join them until much later. Nor was he at Gettysburg a year prior. (Unless serving in an Emergency Militia situation as suggested earlier).
If you have family evidence that Amanda was his wife, I'd say (by virtue of the pension card), that this is your guy.
Doesn't preclude Joseph #1 from being the same man. He may have served in 3 different units.
I noted that Joseph #3 20th Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry Militia (Emergency, 1863 has the middle initial H.
Might be a helpful clue down the road.
I thought it was interesting to note that BOTH the 15th Inf and the 56th Inf were recruited in part in Luzerne County.
As you probably know, this county abuts to the south of Wyoming County where you originally stated your Joseph had enlisted from. And Lackawanna county (where Joseph #1 is buried lies directly east of, and abuts both Wyoming and Luzerne Counties.
Coincidence?

@treebie2000

Do you know where Joseph #3 was from?

 

[treebie2000]

The dates of service would seem to indicate that this gentleman served in response to the Gettysburg "crisis".
But as you can see, he was enrolled and mustered in at Philadelphia. That's quite a ways from Wyoming Co., and from the age listed we can infer that he was probably born in 1845.
I would GUESS not connected.