Uniforms Gauntlets

[VBFDfire554]

Good afternoon. I'm hoping to get some opinions on this pair of gauntlets. I'm not sure if they are Civil War or post Civil War. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

[Salterr]

@Package4 can you please lend some of your expertise to help our new friend?

 

[scooter748driver]

I'm not sure but welcome from the Fort Sumter and the Fredericksburg forums.

 

[RaggedAssSecond]

I'm sure you have variations of gauntlets since you had issue ones and private purchase ones. Here is an example.

"Pair of gauntlets worn by Colonel Marcus La Rue Harrison, 1st Arkansas Cavalry, during the American Civil War. The yellow/buff colored leather gauntlets feature three joined silking stripes in the shape of a "W" on their backs."

Gauntlets worn by Colonel Marcus La Rue Harrison

Pair of gauntlets worn by Colonel Marcus La Rue Harrison, 1st Arkansas Cavalry, during the American Civil War. The yellow/buff colored leather gauntlets…

americanhistory.si.edu

Here are some items which belonged to Joshua Chamberlain, including his gauntlets.

 

[RaggedAssSecond]

Another pair is documented gauntlets.

Gauntlet | American Civil War Museum

"Lt. Chiswell Dabney, an Aide to Maj. Gen. J. E. B. Stuart, wore this pair of gauntlets. They were somehow acquired by Union Major George H. Gardner of the 5th New York Cavalry (he apparently captured some items belonging to J.E.B. Stuart on August 18, 1862), who presented them to Mayor Orestes Cleveland of Jersey City, New Jersey, who "laid them carefully away in the hope that at some future time they might be restored to him or to his." Twenty-five years later, in 1886, the return of the gloves was coordinated by Flora Cooke Stuart (Mrs. J.E.B. Stuart), whose husband was a cousin of Dabney's."

 

[RaggedAssSecond]

Gauntlet | American Civil War Museum

"Maj. Gen. James Ewell Brown Stuart wore these gauntlets during the war."

 

[Salterr]

Can anyone help explain how to identify civil war vs later versions like the 1884 gauntlets? What is there to look for on civil war ones?

 

[RaggedAssSecond]

During the early Indian Wars remaining stocks of Civil War gauntlets were worn.

Later on. . . . .

Mc Pheeters Antique Militaria

"1886 PATTERN US ARMY CAVALRY GAUNTLETS – IN EXCELLENT "LIKE NEW" CONDITION – UNISSUED – SCARCE CAVALRY UNIFORM ITEM: One of, if not the most, recognizable and classic piece of the Cavalry Trooper's uniform, this excellent pair of 1886 Pattern Gauntlets were never issued or worn and are in "like new" condition.

As a standard item of issue, these goat skin gauntlets were first introduced to the Indian War Army with the 1884 Pattern Gauntlets. Within a very short period of time it was discovered that the silk thread with which they were assembled reacted poorly with the tanning chemicals in the leather, causing the seams to fail rendering the gauntlets useless. The specifications were changed and the 1886 Pattern Gauntlets were ordered assembled with cotton thread with the addition of welts in the seams of the thumb and fingers. These welts, as are incorporated in this set, provide for a ready identification between the 1884 and 1886 patterns. While the thread for assembling the gauntlets was changed from silk to cotton, the silk thread was retained for the decorative stitching on the cuffs and the three seams on the back of the hand of the gauntlet.

This particular pair was manufactured under the army's final order for gauntlets – the Contract of 1904. Legibly ink stamped inside both cuffs is the maker's information, "THE DANIEL HAYES COMPANY, Gloversville, N.Y., Contract Oct. 29th 1904". The interior of the left cuff is also ink stamped with the accepting authority and the inspector's name, "Q.M.D. PHILA., T.W. RODRIGO." Inside the right gauntlet the original Quartermaster size tag, similar to those circular tags seen more often on the Model 1881 and 1889 Summer Helmets, still remains on the lining. Attached with a spot of spirit gum, these size tags did not survive even the most casual wear. Inside the hand portion of the left gauntlet is ink stamped the numeral "16", which I believe was applied during the manufacturing process and indicates the identity of the piece worker who made them in order that he received credit towards his pay check.

This pair shows no evidence of use or wear, and the goat skin still retains the nap of the leather over all the surfaces. There are no wear spots or soiling, and the correct russet glove leather lining in each cuff shows no staining or wear. All of the seams are intact as is all of the decorative stitching."

 

[VBFDfire554]

Thank you all for the help and reference pictures

 

[VBFDfire554]

I'm sure you have variations of gauntlets since you had issue ones and private purchase ones. Here is an example.

"Pair of gauntlets worn by Colonel Marcus La Rue Harrison, 1st Arkansas Cavalry, during the American Civil War. The yellow/buff colored leather gauntlets feature three joined silking stripes in the shape of a "W" on their backs."

Gauntlets worn by Colonel Marcus La Rue Harrison

Pair of gauntlets worn by Colonel Marcus La Rue Harrison, 1st Arkansas Cavalry, during the American Civil War. The yellow/buff colored leather gauntlets…

americanhistory.si.edu

Here are some items which belonged to Joshua Chamberlain, including his gauntlets.

Thank you. Civil War and Post Civil War seems so similar. It's been hard for me to distinguish the difference. I'm still not 100% sure. Built very similar to a lot of the model 1886 versions that I've seen

 

[Package4]

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Absolutely one of the most difficult items to date as, war date and post were virtually identical. What gives one pause are the ink stamped size markings, typically war date items had paper tags or embossing, you will also find hand written ink sizing. Keep in mind that many of these were private purchase and as such there was not a universal spec.

I have a war date pair and will compare, in addition to some previous research conducted for another grouping. I'll also reach out to some others who are more versed in this area than I.

 

[Package4]

And welcome to the forums!

 

[Package4]

Consensus is that these are post war

 

[Salterr]

Consensus is that these are post war

Thank you for the help

 

[Salterr]

During the early Indian Wars remaining stocks of Civil War gauntlets were worn.

Later on. . . . .

Mc Pheeters Antique Militaria

"1886 PATTERN US ARMY CAVALRY GAUNTLETS – IN EXCELLENT "LIKE NEW" CONDITION – UNISSUED – SCARCE CAVALRY UNIFORM ITEM: One of, if not the most, recognizable and classic piece of the Cavalry Trooper's uniform, this excellent pair of 1886 Pattern Gauntlets were never issued or worn and are in "like new" condition.

As a standard item of issue, these goat skin gauntlets were first introduced to the Indian War Army with the 1884 Pattern Gauntlets. Within a very short period of time it was discovered that the silk thread with which they were assembled reacted poorly with the tanning chemicals in the leather, causing the seams to fail rendering the gauntlets useless. The specifications were changed and the 1886 Pattern Gauntlets were ordered assembled with cotton thread with the addition of welts in the seams of the thumb and fingers. These welts, as are incorporated in this set, provide for a ready identification between the 1884 and 1886 patterns. While the thread for assembling the gauntlets was changed from silk to cotton, the silk thread was retained for the decorative stitching on the cuffs and the three seams on the back of the hand of the gauntlet.

This particular pair was manufactured under the army's final order for gauntlets – the Contract of 1904. Legibly ink stamped inside both cuffs is the maker's information, "THE DANIEL HAYES COMPANY, Gloversville, N.Y., Contract Oct. 29th 1904". The interior of the left cuff is also ink stamped with the accepting authority and the inspector's name, "Q.M.D. PHILA., T.W. RODRIGO." Inside the right gauntlet the original Quartermaster size tag, similar to those circular tags seen more often on the Model 1881 and 1889 Summer Helmets, still remains on the lining. Attached with a spot of spirit gum, these size tags did not survive even the most casual wear. Inside the hand portion of the left gauntlet is ink stamped the numeral "16", which I believe was applied during the manufacturing process and indicates the identity of the piece worker who made them in order that he received credit towards his pay check.

This pair shows no evidence of use or wear, and the goat skin still retains the nap of the leather over all the surfaces. There are no wear spots or soiling, and the correct russet glove leather lining in each cuff shows no staining or wear. All of the seams are intact as is all of the decorative stitching."


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Thanks for explaining and the great photos

 

[VBFDfire554]

Absolutely one of the most difficult items to date as, war date and post were virtually identical. What gives one pause are the ink stamped size markings, typically war date items had paper tags or embossing, you will also find hand written ink sizing. Keep in mind that many of these were private purchase and as such there was not a universal spec.

I have a war date pair and will compare, in addition to some previous research conducted for another grouping. I'll also reach out to some others who are more versed in this area than I.

I can't thank you enough! You gave some great information. You are absolutely right… These are really tough to date. I've been stumped.

 

[VBFDfire554]

Consensus is that these are post war

I'm very grateful for the information! The price was a little too good to be true as well.