Frock Coat

[Bfd807]

I am looking for some help please. I am pretty sure this is an officers frock, it has no markings so I do not know who manufactured it. Would someone be able to tell me if this is actually an officers frock or something cobbled together to resemble a frock coat.

 

[UCVRelics]

Couple of thinks we need to look at. What leads you to think its an officers coat as enlisted had a similar coat. Close up of the button holes and where the lining meets the sleeve, also what are the button back-marks and are they all sewn on with the same thread. Looking forward to see just what you have.

 

[Bfd807]

The reason I am thinking Officer is the lack of piping around the collar and sleeves also the buttons are the Federal Eagle with branch letter in center of eagle. Everything I can find states those are officer buttons. I am not thinking this is anything but a reproduction coat. Buttonholes look machine stiched, when I get home this evening I will get some shots of the button holes and where liner and sleeve are stiched.

 

[Bfd807]

Here are the pics of button holes and sleeve and liner connection. Buttons have no back markings and look like they are cheaply made.

 

[Billw12280]

I would also say this is a reproduction frock due to the fabric used, an authentic coat would be made using a finer weave broadcloth. If I'm not mistaken the enlisted frock coat only had the piping early war but I do agree it is meant to represent a junior officer coat. The buttons are for an officer of the infantry. This coat would be appropriate for ranks from enlisted (different buttons) up to Captain, higher ranks would have had double breasted coats with different button configurations depending on rank.

 

[Virginia Dave]

I am looking for some help please. I am pretty sure this is an officers frock, it has no markings so I do not know who manufactured it. Would someone be able to tell me if this is actually an officers frock or something cobbled together to resemble a frock coat.

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Could that have been a civilian frock with new buttons to make it appear to be for an officer?

 

[Virginia Dave]

I am looking for some help please. I am pretty sure this is an officers frock, it has no markings so I do not know who manufactured it. Would someone be able to tell me if this is actually an officers frock or something cobbled together to resemble a frock coat.

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Not thinking of parting with it are you?

 

[Billw12280]

Could that have been a civilian frock with new buttons to make it appear to be for an officer?

It is possible but I am thinking it is a contemporary reproduction piece. The fabric, stitching, and construction don't appear to be of the Civil War era to me. I am not an expert but I don't think I would pay more than reproduction pricing if it was something I was looking at purchasing. Paging @Package4.

 

[Mrs. V]

I am looking for some help please. I am pretty sure this is an officers frock, it has no markings so I do not know who manufactured it. Would someone be able to tell me if this is actually an officers frock or something cobbled together to resemble a frock coat.

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Too much machine stitching, and um..well, not all that even..and shouldn't there be sleeve buttons as well? Not a period piece as far as I can see.

 

[Bfd807]

Too much machine stitching, and um..well, not all that even..and shouldn't there be sleeve buttons as well? Not a period piece as far as I can see.

That is one of the reasons I came here, the missing sleeve buttons and I believe 2 missing buttons on the back also. Thank yall for the feedback, kinda confirms what I was thinking.

 

[Tailor Pete]

Jr. Officer's Frock Coats often (but certainly not always) have a quilted lining to give a better 'hang' to the garment, and the collars usually (but again, not always) have a velvet lining... in fact, some exhibit a collar entirely of velvet.

I'd vote for an enlisted frock coat reproduction...

 

[UCVRelics]

I'm not going to say the buttons are new as there were many CW period Eagle buttons with blank BM.

 

[zburkett]

In any case, nice coat. At the least it would be a nice coat to wear. I have a wool shell jacket that I wear just because it is warm and comfortable. It is also fun to be sitting in McDonnalds and have someone try to buy it off me.

 

[Package4]

I am looking for some help please. I am pretty sure this is an officers frock, it has no markings so I do not know who manufactured it. Would someone be able to tell me if this is actually an officers frock or something cobbled together to resemble a frock coat.

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Sorry, was on the road travelling for business and I make it a point to concentrate on customers during that time. Back home so let's see what we have here:

Definitely a reproduction coat that is attempting to emulate an officer's wear. Vermont state issue coats did not initially have the piping, but it is obvious that this is an attempt to replicate an officer. The wool is way too full/heavy to be anything other than a repro and the lining is consistent with reproductions today. Even good repros will use a broadcloth as did period coats for officers. The padding in officer's coats also indicates the means of that particular individual. Collar does not appear to be top stitched and too high.

The lack of tail pockets is a big tell as well, altogether spell, a reasonable reproduction.

Looks to be an older Quartermaster Shop coat, I have one that I used many moons ago...…..

 

[Bfd807]

Could and would someone tell me where the buttons are placed on the sleeves (measurement from cuff) for both Jr Officer and Enlisted if there is a difference please. Or point me in the direction of where I could find them. If I am going to keep and wear it, I would at least like it to look as correct as I can possibly make it.

 

[Package4]

Your jacket does not have functional cuffs, so you would attach the buttons as close to the seam as possible, say 3/8 to 1/2 inch.