Forrest Forrest vandalized again

[jenmay286]

Sad to report the Nathan Forrest memorial has been vandalized again in Memphis. This happened over the weekend while a "Black Lives Matter" protest is still taking place. So sad. Wish all the hate would dissappear.

http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/black-lives-matter-spray-painted-on-confederate-statue/393819886

 

[Desert Kid]

Sad to report the Nathan Forrest memorial has been vandalized again in Memphis. This happened over the weekend while a "Black Lives Matter" protest is still taking place. So sad. Wish all the hate would dissappear.

http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/black-lives-matter-spray-painted-on-confederate-statue/393819886

Well on the plus side it was easily sprayed off before last night.

 

[donna]

Just sad. Wish everyone would just be more respectful of monuments and public things. They are imanimate objects and can not do any harm or help.

 

[Reb]

Just sad. Wish everyone would just be more respectful of monuments and public things. They are inanimate objects and can not do any harm or help.

This in not just a monument. It is the resting place of Forrest and his wife. This is a burial ground, and as such it is a crime to desecrate a grave.

 

[Buckeye Bill]

This is not a protest, this is a crime......

 

[Buckeye Bill]

Tennesse Code Relevant law:

T. C. A. § 39-14-408: A person is guilty of vandalism if you cause property damage in any way without the effective consent of the property owner.

On the matter of restitution and punishment, subsection (c) of the same section prescribes that:

1) Restitution for Vandalism is to be determined as listed in T. C. A. § 39-11-106(a)(36), which basically (with exception) just says the value of the restitution you have to pay is approximated by the $$ needed to return the vandalized property to its pre-vandalism condition (see above graffiti example).

2) Punishment for Vandalism (and offense grading) will be based on the TN statute for Theft at T. C. A § 39-14-105.

Punishment and offense grading for vandalism (theft) is highly dependent on the value of the damage. Also, if you damaged property belonging to more than one person, a) you may be charged with one count of vandalism/theft for EVERY victim; and b) the grading of the offense in case of multiple victims is to be based on the aggregated value of damage.

So basically your possible punishment/criminal record will include:

Lowest: Damage/restitution Less than $500; Class A misdemeanor.Note: this is the ONLY class of the offense that is not a felony and even a Class A misdemeanor is very seriousAll charges resulting from MORE than $500 in damage can be charged as a felony.

As the value of the damage goes up, the degree of felony goes up.

Hopefully you didn't do more than $500 in damage, which if true, would limit your crime to a misdemeanor. It is so so important that you get an experienced criminal attorney in your area ASAP, the crime of vandalism in TN is actually relatively very serious (compared to other states such as PA).

Theoretically, for vandalism under $500 you could receive "not greater than eleven (11) months twenty-nine (29) days in jail or a fine not to exceed two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or both, unless otherwise provided by statute."- As authorized under T. C. A. § 40-35-111(e)(1). Penalties grow much much more serious if crime is a felony because the value of damage is higher.

 

[Allie]

I had a dream about Forrest once, back when the City Council first started discussing whether to remove the statue. I had been participating in some nasty discussions on the forum connected to the Memphis Commercial Appeal, and the subject was on my mind when I went to sleep. I dreamed the general was sitting on the base of the monument, and he said, "Don't fight for me. My fight is over and not one more person should be made hurt or upset on my behalf." It was a very vivid dream, and it made me think about my feelings for the monument, which I love. I wish people would not vandalize the monument, which as Reb pointed out, is also Forrest's grave and his wife's grave, but they can't hurt him.

On the other hand, stopping traffic across the bridge is really dangerous. Sooner or later someone trying to get to a hospital is going to die, or someone with an illness is going to be prevented from reaching their medication, or an old person stuck in a car for eleven hours is going to get heat stroke. I hope these issues can be resolved without further tragedy.

 

[W. Richardson]

It is sad that certain people will stoop to this level, *edited modern politic*. Desecrating monuments/memorials/statues and graves. As long as people continue to support them and their actions you will continue to have this.

Respectfully,
William

 

[DixieRifles]

On the other hand, stopping traffic across the bridge is really dangerous. Sooner or later someone trying to get to a hospital is going to die, or someone with an illness is going to be prevented from reaching their medication, or an old person stuck in a car for eleven hours is going to get heat stroke.

The local Chanel 5 News stated this morning that no emergency vehicels were prevented from getting to the hospitals in Memphis. They wouldn't know if other lives were put in danger.

 

[Desert Kid]

The problem is also that the Memphis City Council is spurring this, as is the Mayor's office.

For years they neglected Forrest's Grave, tossed a commemorative sign to him, and at times encouraged vandalism. All this latest stuff has been a reaction to the Charleston shooting last year. Really the fact that it's illegal to vandalize the grave really doesn't matter to them.

 

[LoriAnn]

From the article:

"I hope someone writes on it again until it's gone," Jones said.

Because that should help things.

Does anyone know exactly what the protesters want? Do they want the statue taken down? Do they want the bodies removed? If so, where shall the bodies be buried so they can lie undisturbed?

 

[cash]

Do they want the bodies removed? If so, where shall the bodies be buried so they can lie undisturbed?

Back in the cemetery where they were originally, where Forrest said he wanted to be.

 

[LoriAnn]

Back in the cemetery where they were originally, where Forrest said he wanted to be.

So he's not actually where he wanted to be? Oh, that's interesting! Perhaps placing him in the spot of his choosing would be a peaceful solution.

 

[cash]

So he's not actually where he wanted to be? Oh, that's interesting! Perhaps placing him in the spot of his choosing would be a peaceful solution.

The Forrest Family plot is in Elmwood Cemetery, and that's where Forrest was originally buried.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=355

He and his wife were disinterred in 1905 and moved to what became Forrest Park, now renamed Health Sciences Park.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...derate-general-from-park/stories/201507130073

The rest of his family is in Elmwood Cemetery.

 

[Desert Kid]

The Forrest Family plot is in Elmwood Cemetery, and that's where Forrest was originally buried.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=355

He and his wife were disinterred in 1905 and moved to what became Forrest Park, now renamed Health Sciences Park.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...derate-general-from-park/stories/201507130073

The rest of his family is in Elmwood Cemetery.

And even if the state of TN decides to move the body (and I heavily doubt they ever will) they have to get approval from Forrest's family. And Forrest's descendants have gone on record more than a few times saying they don't want it moved.

 

[diane]

Like Sherman said, there won't be peace in Tennessee until Forrest is dead - and not then, apparently!

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

So he's not actually where he wanted to be? Oh, that's interesting! Perhaps placing him in the spot of his choosing would be a peaceful solution.

You may find this thread interesting:
http://civilwartalk.com/threads/mem...-forrests-body-and-monument-from-park.115065/

 

[DixieRifles]

The local Chanel 5 News stated this morning that no emergency vehicels were prevented from getting to the hospitals in Memphis. They wouldn't know if other lives were put in danger.

I'm getting word that the march did delay a child who was being transferred to St Jude-- who was being transported via ambulance in a non-emergency transfer.

 

[Reb]

Back in the cemetery where they were originally, where Forrest said he wanted to be.

Oakwood cemetery, where HIS FAMILY gave authorization to be dis-interred and moved to the park.

 

[truthckr]

Oakwood cemetery, where HIS FAMILY gave authorization to be dis-interred and moved to the park.

Small correction, he was originally interred in Elmwood Cemetery. His brothers, son and daughter are also buried in that location. A large number of his troopers are nearby.