Ebay Scammer Update

[JackADriscoll]

No, no, no no - he´ll be offering the cigars.

I've got the cigars.

 

[JackADriscoll]

Here's a $10,000-dollar "Winchester" (which was established in '66) CSA holster: https://www.ebay.com/itm/355749896984?itmmeta=01HZAVXC8EK09SNKFMMK9DTSX6&hash=item52d458a318:g:4ZcAAOSwQxFmVh04&itmprp=enc:AQAJAAAA0H2OC2eSaXVHdrhopwAyZLwmWiE4hjLFfcUhc1Ms7bcVBLKHF1T3klrHGYuTnjVMwggDqJojArk26VtuKfGZ3xEXeGd1navOErYuOW6cJi7qyIZGA/iGRZ60bbkWCJ3e5sS5/Wraa1alRA9qDuobIvAbs5i3AmyZ0DrJcN6rwxbMClfl1Tit02OpStjXTU7elZYk34GSogYEm+VEm0P/7orJAdvBw5I9awqd+xAh0YGM24OyBzveM3dB/w2Y+5LfcnGwXDC5f/FWjcG/yQSvaQA=|tkp:Bk9SR6bE9dv6Yw

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You just think they were established then. This is the prototype

 

[BCS1973]

You just think they were established then. This is the prototype

Just have no words for this LOL

 

[BCS1973]

He uses the Confederate Relic Room in South Carolina as his provenance, saying he took it there to be looked at. I've contacted the Confederate Relic Room twice and alerted them to this. I've received replies from them denying his claims and stating he's a scammer. I think they need to get involved and have him blocked. Him, and frauds like him, affect all of us who buy, sell, collect and dig legitimate ACW relics.

Yeah, I know someone else who contacted Confederate Relic Room about basholroadawg. Their reply was that his stuff was "garbage", that they messaged him requesting him to stop using their name, and contacted e-bay about his lies. Doesn't seem like anyone cares enough.

 

[JackADriscoll]

Yeah, I know someone else who contacted Confederate Relic Room about basholroadawg. Their reply was that his stuff was "garbage", that they messaged him requesting him to stop using their name, and contacted e-bay about his lies. Doesn't seem like anyone cares enough.

But if he stopped we wouldn't be having so much fun and no one but his shills seem to be buying and keeping his "wong" items

 

[cannonjockey]

Here's a $10,000-dollar "Winchester" (which was established in '66) CSA holster: https://www.ebay.com/itm/355749896984?itmmeta=01HZAVXC8EK09SNKFMMK9DTSX6&hash=item52d458a318:g:4ZcAAOSwQxFmVh04&itmprp=enc:AQAJAAAA0H2OC2eSaXVHdrhopwAyZLwmWiE4hjLFfcUhc1Ms7bcVBLKHF1T3klrHGYuTnjVMwggDqJojArk26VtuKfGZ3xEXeGd1navOErYuOW6cJi7qyIZGA/iGRZ60bbkWCJ3e5sS5/Wraa1alRA9qDuobIvAbs5i3AmyZ0DrJcN6rwxbMClfl1Tit02OpStjXTU7elZYk34GSogYEm+VEm0P/7orJAdvBw5I9awqd+xAh0YGM24OyBzveM3dB/w2Y+5LfcnGwXDC5f/FWjcG/yQSvaQA=|tkp:Bk9SR6bE9dv6Yw

Those pommel holsters are not listed as Winchesters but instead as made by "Main & Winchester". Main & Winchester (established 1849) was an early San Francisco based saddle maker who also made holsters. They have no connection with the Winchester firearms company. However, the M & W early holsters are quite collectible. They made many of the Slimjim holsters for the early Colts used in the old west, so I can see someone in the military from Texas ordering some pommel holsters from them.


Original period pommel holsters in fine condition can bring handsome sums. There was a Mexican war set designed for the big single shot martial muzzle loaders-either the M1836 flintlock or the M1842 percussion on eBay for the longest time. The guy was asking about $2k. Since I have fine examples of both of those pistols, I seriously considered buying them but ended up getting a nice shootable Burnside carbine instead

Having a famous maker's stamp would only add more value. However, I have no idea if that's a reasonable price since I don't follow old leather goods

Cheers

 

[R. Porter]

So, I saw that. I have a hunch on that. He currently has a positive feedback on that exact Sword when it sold for $670. I'm going to posit a couple of options. Option 1, he has multiples of that same sword. I'm not putting a lot of faith in that, but if it's a costume piece---maybe. Option 2, buyer slow payed and possibly questioned the provenance of the sword, so he re-listed it and schill bid it to $1500 to play the "how much someone else is willing to pay" card. Once the reprobate psycho gets his mark to elicit the, "whoa, whoa, whoa, I'll take it at $670, if you pull the the re-listing" his ploy is made. At that point the horrible creature says something like, "OK I'll pull the listing and honor the original deal, but at least leave me a good feedback for all of the trouble you caused me with the extra listing fees et. al. and my father left me totally destitute because etc." BINGO, jerkas gets $670 for a twenty dollar "sword" he bought in a souvenir shop in Pigeon Forge TN. He only needs one mark. That mark wouldn't be me, because I don't deal in that stuff. That mark probably isn't a member on this site because we'd always ask the question and those that really know the item would chime in. In all likelihood that mark is someone who is looking for that special gift for their civil war collecting father or grandfather as a surprise for Fathers day, birthday, etc.

I don't remember if we identified the sword earlier in the thread but it appears to be a genuine German NCO sword from the first half of the 20th century, or something similar. I think these days you might expect to pay between $100.00 and $200.00 for it. If you look at the bid history, the last legitimate bid seems to be $85.00 unless it's the one for $150.00. After that you have one high score bidder and a few very low score bidders. No one on eBay is going to bid $1,500.00 on the sword unless they know exactly what they are bidding on. If it's the real deal there will be a few high score bidders running up the price and the auction may be won in the last 10 seconds, but not always. If it's not the real deal it will look like the bidding did for this sword.

 

[BCS1973]

I don't remember if we identified the sword earlier in the thread but it appears to be a genuine German NCO sword from the first half of the 20th century, or something similar. I think these days you might expect to pay between $100.00 and $200.00 for it. If you look at the bid history, the last legitimate bid seems to be $85.00 unless it's the one for $150.00. After that you have one high score bidder and a few very low score bidders. No one on eBay is going to bid $1,500.00 on the sword unless they know exactly what they are bidding on. If it's the real deal there will be a few high score bidders running up the price and the auction may be won in the last 10 seconds, but not always. If it's not the real deal it will look like the bidding did for this sword.

I believe you are correct that it was identified on this site as 20th century German. I'm thinking it actually sold to someone at $670 based the good feedback that was left and it was somehting like, "Item as described, fast shipping" instead of his over the top, "greatest seller on ebay, not a fraud like everyone else, etc."

 

[CWLeadManiac]

I believe you are correct that it was identified on this site as 20th century German. I'm thinking it actually sold to someone at $670 based the good feedback that was left and it was somehting like, "Item as described, fast shipping" instead of his over the top, "greatest seller on ebay, not a fraud like everyone else, etc."

When I contacted the Confederate Relic Room, the lead curator, Chelsea said it looked to be early 20th century, most likely European.

 

[JackADriscoll]

Definitely German.

If you look at the bidding on the canteen that sold you will see three retracted bids which seems to be out of character.

The person that bought the sword doesn't look automatically like a shill account. Very interesting

 

[13 IL Cav & 64 GA Inf]

Okay, this is getting ridiculous!! This scammer has a fake CSA sword listed and it's OVER $1500 right now, with 3 days left in the auction! If you take a look at the bidding history, it's pretty obvious that his shill accounts are bumping up the bids...

1863 Civil War Confederate CSA Calvary Saber Sword & Scabbard Gettysburg Pickup! | eBay

This saber and scabbard was recovered after the battle of Gettysburg ended, it was recovered as a battlefield pickup by a Union soldier after the confederate retreat who then took it back to Massachusetts.

www.ebay.com

I cannot stand such dishonest people!

 

[Joe Whitworth]

The leather on my 20 year old Harley tool bag appears to be more crusty than these genuine 150+ year old leather holsters.YMMV

 

[BCS1973]

Definitely German.

If you look at the bidding on the canteen that sold you will see three retracted bids which seems to be out of character.

The person that bought the sword doesn't look automatically like a shill account. Very interesting

That was my thinking as well. Since it went up a second time and rolled to $1500 before being pulled, I'm calling shenanigans. As in the person that ended up with it checked provenance, heard it was or might be junk, slow paid or said I'm not buying, then got told "fine I'll list it again" you passed up a hulluva deal sucker, and proceeded to bid it up to insane levels, then said I'll take it at $670. Then the obligatory, "fine I'll pull the listing but give me a good feedback because I'm losing 800 bucks. I'm not saying that happened, but part of what I do for a living is "call people's bluff". I've seen similar **** spouted by people whose only gain was a possible pay raise or promotion in the future.

 

[Package4]

But if he stopped we wouldn't be having so much fun and no one but his shills seem to be buying and keeping his "wong" items

No, then we would go after the other thousand scammers in the category

 

[Tony Z]

As an aside, Bannerman sold surplus military goods up until the mid 20th century. Also, many bonafide items were used in movies, from the earliest days. Probably well after the centennial celebrations did the collector value enter into the equation.

To this Ebay goober, what he is doing maybe illegal, particularly since he knowingly is untruthful.

 

[Package4]

As an aside, Bannerman sold surplus military goods up until the mid 20th century. Also, many bonafide items were used in movies, from the earliest days. Probably well after the centennial celebrations did the collector value enter into the equation.

To this Ebay goober, what he is doing maybe illegal, particularly since he knowingly is untruthful.

Actually there were scammers during and right after the war, who would set up tents at reunions and sell "Gettysburg found" swords to those in attendance.

I have an entire collection from a soldier who purchased all kinds of memorabilia at a Sharpsburg reunion. Someone (@RedRover?) recently posted a contemporary newspaper article about period fakes. The items were genuine ACW related pieces, but not from the battle claimed and mostly surplus. The purveyor would be able to claim a premium thus defrauding veterans.

 

[R. Porter]

As an aside, Bannerman sold surplus military goods up until the mid 20th century. Also, many bonafide items were used in movies, from the earliest days. Probably well after the centennial celebrations did the collector value enter into the equation.

To this Ebay goober, what he is doing maybe illegal, particularly since he knowingly is untruthful.

One thing I occasionally do is search eBay for movie stills from westerns or Civil War movies. Not only can you spot uniform errors (belt buckles in The Red Badge of Courage) you can see the swords used and guns they used. Hollywood used a lot Springfield model 1873's and later modified to look like muskets. There are websites that track the different guns used in different movies including modifications. There is a particular "Confederate" belt buckle used in Gone With the Wind that shows up in one or more other movies that is a Hollywood creation. So knowledge of non-Civil War items can help save you from a mistake but it may clue you into something of value in its own right.

 

[Present Arms]

A 2010 article in the Independent newspaper claimed that "A reasonable estimate might be that at least 20 per cent of the paintings held by our major museums, some up on the walls, many others in the vaults, will no longer be attributed to the same painter 100 years from now." The article refers to a rise in art faking and mistakes by museum curators. The same can be said about historical artifacts.

 

[Cornpone and Molasses]

To this Ebay goober, what he is doing maybe illegal, particularly since he knowingly is untruthful.

It's 100% illegal since he has been told by many people here that many of his items are fake. If he had any integrity at all he would have pulled the auctions to have the items properly vetted. Let's not even get started on the shill bidding he employs in all of his auctions. This guy is a thief and he knows it!

 

[TallTallMan]

One thing I occasionally do is search eBay for movie stills from westerns or Civil War movies. Not only can you spot uniform errors (belt buckles in The Red Badge of Courage) you can see the swords used and guns they used. Hollywood used a lot Springfield model 1873's and later modified to look like muskets. There are websites that track the different guns used in different movies including modifications. There is a particular "Confederate" belt buckle used in Gone With the Wind that shows up in one or more other movies that is a Hollywood creation. So knowledge of non-Civil War items can help save you from a mistake but it may clue you into something of value in its own right.

Someone ought to sell all the inaccurate .45s and Winchesters in ACW Westerns and sell them as an "authentic" arsenal.