Double marked cap pouch for review

63springfield

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Hello again , Looking for opinions on the originality and time frame on this pouch I just bought . Judging by what the bidding went to I would THINK it is real but you folks are better judges of that . Same exact NJ markings as the scabbard and the sheeps woo
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l is still there ??!?? . Didn't get the scabbard as I would like a better one and it was fairly expensive . Thanks Dave
 
Thanks Jobe and that's the assessment I was hoping for . I sure like it and condition is right also . Forgot to mention the box and scabbard were NOT together . Different sellers .
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Patience pays off again . Scabbard is much better than the one I passed on AND came with a DANDY bayonet !!!! Marking by inspector Miller isn't as good but overall it is in useable condition . Cost was about the same as the scabbard only pictured above and it isn't coming apart anywhere like the other . HAPPY DAYS and now to find a sling and whatever else I can find by this maker . Dave
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Patience pays off again . Scabbard is much better than the one I passed on AND came with a DANDY bayonet !!!! Marking by inspector Miller isn't as good but overall it is in useable condition . Cost was about the same as the scabbard only pictured above and it isn't coming apart anywhere like the other . HAPPY DAYS and now to find a sling and whatever else I can find by this maker . DaveView attachment 74079 View attachment 74080
They look good.
 
While having a complete accoutrements set from the same maker is a nice personal collecting goal to shoot for, keep in mind that any particular soldier may or may not have his accoutrements issued that way...meaning from the same maker, except by chance. It is also true that they would not necessarily have been issued at the same time. Accoutrements were procured through Ordnance, not the QM Dept and as such they were not replaced on any sort of schedule (rather replacement was based solely on serviceability/wear and tear). This is true even if Ordnance issued the soldier a new "modern" rifled musket in .58 to replace an obsolete foreign or domestic smoothbore musket that was taken out of service. The bayonet would be replaced, but not the soldiers old accoutrements such as the .69 cal cartridge box, belt and scabbard.

E.A. Crossman was listed in Newark, New Jersey as a harness maker from 1861-1865, and listed at 164 Walnut Street (1861-62), 13 Franklin Street (1863-64), and 104 Railroad Ave (1865). The firm received US Ordnance Department contracts in 1864 and 1865 for 15,000 sets of infantry accouterments, 5,000 saber belts & belt plates, 6,100 carbine slings, 2,500 carbine cartridge boxes, as well as additional orders for halter and stirrup straps. The firm continued to supply the US Govt through the 1870s and employed about 15 people. Hence, that number does not make them sound especially rare however, the pieces needed for a "full set" may take some patient searching on your part. Probably two million accoutrement sets were made during the Civil War, so statistically speaking less than 1% were supplied by Crossman.
 
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Thanks for the positive responses .

Craigs research is much better than mine and thanks a bunch and I agree matching maker accoutrements probably never happened . What would the complete set consist of ?

It is only the NJ marked [ barrel and stock ] Trenton I acquired in pretty much new condition that I am doing this with . Springfield gets whatever . Anyways the Trenton is probably one of the unused surplus bunch sold to Bannerman around 1905 and this one ended up hanging on a wall till now . So it really has no combat heritage anyway and is nice so why not match NJ stuff to it ?

And since when are collectors supposed to make any sense and patience has already paid off on the scabbard . This one is much better than the one I passed on !!??!!

Dave

 

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