Discipline after combat

Sbc

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Just watched a war film yesterday with an extensive scene involving friendly fire. The wheels started turning lol. Does anyone know of ACW friendly fire incidents that resulted in after action discipline?
 
It seems as though I've read of some friendly fire incident/s in nearly every major battle; usually its a line of infantry firing into the backs of another regiment in front as they march through the woods and smoke.

What do you mean exactly by "disciplined"? Chewed out by their commanding officer/s, instructed to not fire until certain, etc.?

There was one incident at Shiloh where an officer of Hardee's staff road in front of the 4th Louisiana with a captured Federal flag around his waist; the 4th opened fire on him at once and he was riddled with bullets. Some of the stray shots flew into an Arkansas regiment a ways ahead, killing and wounding a number of their men. Then they turned and fired back at the 4th Louisiana out of frustration!
 
It seems as though I've read of some friendly fire incident/s in nearly every major battle; usually its a line of infantry firing into the backs of another regiment in front as they march through the woods and smoke.

What do you mean exactly by "disciplined"? Chewed out by their commanding officer/s, instructed to not fire until certain, etc.?

There was one incident at Shiloh where an officer of Hardee's staff road in front of the 4th Louisiana with a captured Federal flag around his waist; the 4th opened fire on him at once and he was riddled with bullets. Some of the stray shots flew into an Arkansas regiment a ways ahead, killing and wounding a number of their men. Then they turned and fired back at the 4th Louisiana out of frustration!
Its known as a Blue on Blue today, I can think of many incidents of 'friendly fire', (who ever came up with that term needs shooting), but I can't recall any cases where there has been a Court-martial, there is normally an enquiry/investigation but I think that Blue on Blue is viewed as a hazard of war. In todays modern army every precaution is taken to avoid such situations. I'm wondering if anything was ever put in place to avoid friendly fire during the ACW. I would imagine that wearing captured enemy flags on your person would have been an obvious thing to avoid. It would have been like a GI walking around with a Nazi flag draped over his shoulders, a big NO, NO.
 
It seems as though I've read of some friendly fire incident/s in nearly every major battle; usually its a line of infantry firing into the backs of another regiment in front as they march through the woods and smoke.

What do you mean exactly by "disciplined"? Chewed out by their commanding officer/s, instructed to not fire until certain, etc.?

There was one incident at Shiloh where an officer of Hardee's staff road in front of the 4th Louisiana with a captured Federal flag around his waist; the 4th opened fire on him at once and he was riddled with bullets. Some of the stray shots flew into an Arkansas regiment a ways ahead, killing and wounding a number of their men. Then they turned and fired back at the 4th Louisiana out of frustration!
Court martial or official report is what I mean. Thanks
 
It likely happened in every battle. Several instances are reported at Gettysburg, on both sides. It was commonly the result of friendly artillery firing into their own infantry: either from a case of mistaken identity; or the infantry advancing into the existing fire zone; or faulty ammunition; or obscured conditions (such as darkness). Fellow infantrymen firing well behind the front line was another cause, but during a pitched battle it would difficult to pinpoint the culprit. Two examples:

USA: When shells from batteries in the rear began dropping into the 20th Connecticut at daybreak on July 3, taking both arms off Private George Warner, an angry Colonel William Wooster sent back word that if it continued he would turn his men around and charge them. Wooster omits mention of the incident in his official report, but his brigade commander, Col. A. L. McDougall writes that the regiment endured "an afflictive and discouraging, though accidental, fire of our own batteries."

CSA: General Stephen Ramseur mentioned an incident in his official report ... "exposed to the artillery of the enemy and our own short-range guns, by the careless use or imperfect ammunition of which I lost 7 men killed and wounded." As a result, Capt. Dance's artillery battalion, which had apparently inflicted the damage, was restricted to firing only the safer solid shot.

So far as is known, no one was held to account for these apparently unintentional acts.
 
I've read of several incidents (Longstreet's wounding at the Wilderness is one that hasn't yet been mentioned), but haven't read about anyone being held accountable. In other words, if there were repercussions for the shooter(s), the word hasn't made it into any of the books I've read so far.
 
I've read of several incidents (Longstreet's wounding at the Wilderness is one that hasn't yet been mentioned), but haven't read about anyone being held accountable. In other words, if there were repercussions for the shooter(s), the word hasn't made it into any of the books I've read so far.
Its also possible that many of these incidents were classified, that would explain why there are limited details only.
 
Court martial or official report is what I mean. Thanks
Don't know why that didn't occur to me. But no, I'm not aware of any incidents where someone was court-martialed for it. Not saying it didn't happen though, just not aware of or remember any incidents. As Waterloo said, it seems as though friendly fire was usually "accepted as inevitable." It might have temporarily ruined the reputation of the unit that caused it, but nevertheless it was usually seen as an accident.
 
Its also possible that many of these incidents were classified, that would explain why there are limited details only.

Documents weren't classified like that back then. There are incidents of friendly fire from nearly every battle in both the official records and in private correspondence.

R
 
Good question!
I wonder if there were any confirmed cases of fragging.
Hand grenades where not used much by either side so that would leave out an easy method. In the heat of battle a soldier could get of a shot into the officers back but he's taking a chance someone will see him. Not saying it never happened. During the Vietnam war their where stories of fraging but how does one establish a reasonable estimate how many took place either in Vietnam or in the CW? If it did take place in the CW I would think the culprit would keep quiet although their is Demon Rum and Johnny Barley Corn where ever their are soldiers.
Leftyhunter
 
Interesting subject. I would have to assume there has been some punishment given out for this type of thing. I am sure there are cases of honest mistakes, but there has to be cases of disregarding orders or being negligent in ones duties.
 
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It seems as though I've read of some friendly fire incident/s in nearly every major battle; usually its a line of infantry firing into the backs of another regiment in front as they march through the woods and smoke.

What do you mean exactly by "disciplined"? Chewed out by their commanding officer/s, instructed to not fire until certain, etc.?

There was one incident at Shiloh where an officer of Hardee's staff road in front of the 4th Louisiana with a captured Federal flag around his waist; the 4th opened fire on him at once and he was riddled with bullets. Some of the stray shots flew into an Arkansas regiment a ways ahead, killing and wounding a number of their men. Then they turned and fired back at the 4th Louisiana out of frustration!
Well if they are shooting at us I feel obligated to return fire. I remember reading that somewhere, just not sure where.
 

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