Destroyed Brigades

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Scott Hartwigs book "I Dread the Thought of the Place" has some incredible information regarding the casualties cause by the Battle of Antietam. Here's some of the numbers it has for the ANV.

1. 9 division commander, 3 became casualties.
2. 40 brigade commanders, 16 became casualties.
3. 40% of CS officers were casualties.
4. Colquitt's, Douglass's, Hays's, and G.B. Anderson's brigades wouldn't exist after the battle due to casualties, while Garland's brigade lacked any qualified leaders to take command.
 
Scott Hartwigs book "I Dread the Thought of the Place" has some incredible information regarding the casualties cause by the Battle of Antietam. Here's some of the numbers it has for the ANV.

1. 9 division commander, 3 became casualties.
2. 40 brigade commanders, 16 became casualties.
3. 40% of CS officers were casualties.
4. Colquitt's, Douglass's, Hays's, and G.B. Anderson's brigades wouldn't exist after the battle due to casualties, while Garland's brigade lacked any qualified leaders to take command.
Point 4 is only partially true. Those brigade may indeed have been shattered in the immediate aftermath...but they didn't cease to exist following the battle. They all returned to relative combat strength in time for Fredericksburg; partly due to the return of stragglers and soldiers who didn't want to step foot north of the Potomac, along with men returning from hospital. Of the five brigades you mentioned, only Hays' Brigade didn't exist by March of 1865. The remainder would continue to fight on (under new commanders, sans Colquitt's Brigade...though he'd go awol following Fort Fisher) to the very end of the war.
 
Point 4 is only partially true. Those brigade may indeed have been shattered in the immediate aftermath...but they didn't cease to exist following the battle. They all returned to relative combat strength in time for Fredericksburg; partly due to the return of stragglers and soldiers who didn't want to step foot north of the Potomac, along with men returning from hospital. Of the five brigades you mentioned, only Hays' Brigade didn't exist by March of 1865. The remainder would continue to fight on (under new commanders, sans Colquitt's Brigade...though he'd go awol following Fort Fisher) to the very end of the war.
Big reason for that is by 1864, the Texas and Louisiana brigades were basically cut off from any reinforcements so really dwindled during that campaign with Hays and Stafford's brigade merging. Colquitt was sent down to NC and was able to gain back some of it's strength. Douglas brigade becomes Gordon's and is good sized by Gettysburg, Ramseur took over for Anderson, and his brigade remained relatively small for the rest of the war.
 
Colquitt commanded a brigade in the Carolinas for awhile. Was it a new brigade or was his brigade sent to a secondary theater to recruit and recover from their losses - like Pickett's division after Gettysburg?
Mostly the same brigade. In January 1863, Colquitt swapped the 13th Alabama for the 19th Georgia of Archer's Brigade. His all Georgia brigade is the one he took South with him.

Ryan
 
Colquitt commanded a brigade in the Carolinas for awhile. Was it a new brigade or was his brigade sent to a secondary theater to recruit and recover from their losses - like Pickett's division after Gettysburg?
They were put in Lee's penalty box after Chancellorsville and sent south. They performed well at Olustee which earned them a trip back to Virginia. They were again sent south in the closing months of the war. They were at Bentonville and surrendered with Johnston in North Carolina.
 
They were put in Lee's penalty box after Chancellorsville and sent south. They performed well at Olustee which earned them a trip back to Virginia. They were again sent south in the closing months of the war. They were at Bentonville and surrendered with Johnston in North Carolina.
To be fair, only Colquitt landed on Lee's s--tlist. But in order to get rid of Colquitt, he had to transfer the brigade, against his wishes.

Ryan
 
Colquitt commanded a brigade in the Carolinas for awhile. Was it a new brigade or was his brigade sent to a secondary theater to recruit and recover from their losses - like Pickett's division after Gettysburg?
No it was the same brigade. They were sent to Charleston after a poor performance at Chancellorsville (more that Colquitt's men were under engaged rather than suffered heavy losses). They'd fight at Olustee, before joining Hoke's Division in May 1864. They would remain a strong brigade up to 1865.
I'll pull up some numbers for them and the other brigades mentioned for clarity, hold up.
 
So, here's what I've got, thanks to Steve Grethe (@Hannover ), Alfred Young, @bschulte , and others:
I can't seem to find the numbers for Colquitt's Brigade at Antietam. I recalled Steve emailing me a pdf containing his tabulations for the various Confederate units at Antietam, their strengths and casualties, but I can't find them. Shame, as it would make for a great comparison. Whatever, what I have is enough.

I do have Steve's doc file containing his tabulations for Chancellorsville. The numbers he has are from Osprey, and for Colquitt's Brigade in particular, he provides the following:
  • 4th (Colquitt's) Brigade, D. H. Hill's (Rodes') Division (2623 officers & men): BG Alfred H. Colquitt
    • Staff (4)
    • 6th Georgia Infantry (616): Col. John T. Lofton
    • 19th Georgia Infantry (367): Col. Andrew J. Hutchins
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry (649): Col. Emory F. Best
    • 27th Georgia Infantry (657): Col. Charles T. Zachry
    • 28th Georgia Infantry (330): Col. Tully Graybill
As you may notice, the brigade is absolutely massive all things considered, and three of the five regiments in the brigade number over 600 men. Not bad for a brigade supposedly "destroyed" (understatement of the century).

According to Stephen Sears (Chancellorsville, Appendix II, pg. 497), the brigade suffered the following casualties at Chancellorsville:
  • 4th (Colquitt's) Brigade, D. H. Hill's (Rodes') Division: 9 k, 128 w, 312 m, 449 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 29 w, 2 m, 33 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 3 k, 33 w, 11 m, 47 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 0 k, 3 m, 296 m, 299 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 39 w, 1 m, 42 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 24 w, 2 m, 28 total
As you can tell, the brigade didn't suffer badly at Chancellorsville (partly because of errors made on Alfred Colquitt's part as well as the situation of the battle). Indeed, most of the losses came in the form of men captured, particularly in the 23rd Georgia on May 2nd, when Union III Corps skirmishers pounced upon them and bagged half the regiment as it performed screening duty for Jackson's flank march. And those men would all be exchanged and returned to duty, so the brigade really didn't suffer significant loss here.

I do not have numbers for the brigade at Olustee. I do have casualty figures, however (see this doc I compiled on the Battle of Olustee):
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 39 k, 362 w, 2 m, 403 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 5 k, 56 w, 0 m, 61 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 6 k, 88 w, 0 m, 94 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 66 w, 2 m, 70 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 7 k, 67 w, 0 m, 74 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 10 k, 85 w, 0 m, 95 total
The brigade fought hard and well at Olustee by most if not all accounts. And indeed, it seems that despite the heavy combat losses suffered here, they remained a strong brigade when they transferred back to Virginia. There, they'd join Beauregard's force to deal with Benjamin Butler's advance from Bermuda Hundred. Before the fight at Drewry's Bluff, Alfred Young (North & South, Series II, Volume 4 No. 2, 56) estimated their numbers on May 14th:
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 1890 officers & men
    • Brigade Staff: 5
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 395
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 350
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 370
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 410
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 360
Certainly the brigade was far leaner than they were with Lee around Chancellorsville, likely a combination of casualties in that battle, Olustee and activity around Charleston. However, they were still a potent, veteran brigade.

Young's figures for the Bermuda Hundred Campaign (Lee's Army in the Overland Campaign: A Numerical Study, Appendix A, 330):
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 22 k, 140 w, 1 m, 163 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 10 k, 75 w, 0 m, 85 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 4 k, 32 w, 0 m, 36 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 4 k, 25 w, 1 m, 30 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 0 k, 0 w, 0 m, 0 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 4 k, 8 w, 0 m, 12 total

Young estimated casualties for the brigade between May 6th & 16th at 160 killed, wounded, missing and captured, and circa May 18th-19th, shows the difference (N&S ibid.):
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 1730 officers & men
    • Brigade Staff: 5
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 310
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 310
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 340
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 410
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 355
They'd then join Hoke's Division, which would soon see combat at Cold Harbor at the end of May and the first week of June. He records the following losses at Cold Harbor (Lee's Army in the Overland Campaign, ibid.)
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 40 k, 142 w, 1 w&c, 4 m, 187 total
    • Brigade Staff: 0 k, 1 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 1 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 6 k, 12 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 18 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 1 k, 11 w, 0 w&c, 1 m, 13 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 9 k, 18 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 27 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 16 k, 62 w, 1 w&c, 3 m, 82 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 8 k, 38 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 46 total
On June 12th, Young records the strength of Colquitt's Brigade at 1545 officers & men (Lee's Army in the Overland Campaign, Table 19, pg. 247). From June 16th thru 18th, the brigade took part in the Second Battle of Petersburg, helping repulse Grant's failed attempt to take the Cockade City by assault; they lost about 126 men in the process (N&S, ibid.) After that, the brigade would play a peripheral role at the Crater, suffering 4 killed and 27 wounded (O.R. Volume 40, Part 1, 793), then take part in Mahone's flank attack at Globe Tavern on August 19th (suffering around 120 casualties, though that's speculative due to a lack of casualty reports available), then in Hoke's ill-fated assault on Fort Harrison on September 30th, suffering 223 casualties according to Richard J. Sommers.

In late december, the brigade, along with the rest of Hokes' Division, would transfer to Wilmington to assist in the defense of Fort Fisher. On New Years Eve, 1864-1865, an inspection report (3-P-46, M935, NARA Record Group 109) placed the strength of the brigade as follows:
  • Colqutt's Brigade (1460 officers & men): BG Alfred H. Colquitt
    • Brigade Staff (8 officers & men)
    • 6th Georgia Infantry (319 officers & men): Col. John T. Lofton
    • 19th Georgia Infantry (244 officers & men): Col. James H. Neal
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry (269 officers & men): Col. Marcus R. Ballenger
    • 27th Georgia Infantry (324 officers & men): Col. Charles T. Zachry
    • 28th Georgia Infantry (296 officers & men): Capt. John A. Johnson
(Note, these records can be found here)
As you can tell, compared to their strength on May 14th, they've depreciated just barely. Still, by the dawn of 1865, they are a large veteran brigade, which is becoming quite rare in the Confederacy.

The brigade would take part in the fighting around Fort Fisher and Wilmington, and later would take prominent part in the Battle of Wyse's Fork (March 8th-10th 1865), where they sustained 5 killed, 46 wounded, and 30 captured (Wade Sokolosky & Mark A. Smith, To Prepare for Sheman's Coming: The Battle of Wyse Fork March 1865, Appendix C, 258). On March 17th, the eve of the Battle of Bentonville, Hoke reported the strength of Colquitt's Brigade at 1232 officers & men (O.R. Volume 47, Part 2, 1424). In the four days of action around Bentonville, the brigade suffered the following losses (O.R. Volume 47, Part 1, 1080):
  • March 19th: 33 k, 163 w, 18 m, 214 total
  • March 20th: 0 k, 1 w, 1 m, 2 total
  • March 21st: 7 k, 13 w, 2 m, 22 total
  • March 22nd: 1 k, 1 w, 2 m, 4 total
  • Total: 41 k, 178 w, 23 m, 242 total
When the brigade finally surrender at Bennett Place, April 26th 1865, it was the largest brigade in Hoke's Division, and one of the only brigades in the army that didn't see any of its regiments consolidated:
  • Colquitt's Brigade (736 officers & men): BG Alfred H. Colquitt
    • Brigade Staff (8)
    • 6th Georgia Infantry (152): Maj. James M. Culpepper
    • 19th Georgia Infantry (135): Maj. William Hamilton
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry (92): Col. Marcus R. Ballenger
    • 27th Georgia Infantry (229): Col. Charles T. Zachry
    • 28th Georgia Infantry (122): Ltc. William P. Crawford
Certainly, the brigade had suffered heavily after Bentonville, mostly by desertions. Whereas most of the figures in this thread are predominantely PFD or another equivalent figure for potential combat strength, this final return is simply the aggregate present. Many men seemed to have deserted the ranks of the army in this time, especially after news of Lee's surrender reached camp. It certainly was more fit for duty than other brigades in Hoke's Division. The Tarheels of Kirkland's Brigade, who numbered 1093 officers & men before Bentonville, and suffered just 113 casualties there, numbered just 218 officers & men aggregate by the surrender.

Hope this was informative for a lot of folks.
 
I can't seem to find the numbers for Colquitt's Brigade at Antietam. I recalled Steve emailing me a pdf containing his tabulations for the various Confederate units at Antietam, their strengths and casualties, but I can't find them. Shame, as it would make for a great comparison. Whatever, what I have is enough.
Hartwig posits them having 1320 men at Antietam (page 174). He later writes that their losses could have been as high as 900 (page 201) and was only able to muster 186 the next day.

Ryan
 
So, here's what I've got, thanks to Steve Grethe (@Hannover ), Alfred Young, @bschulte , and others:
I can't seem to find the numbers for Colquitt's Brigade at Antietam. I recalled Steve emailing me a pdf containing his tabulations for the various Confederate units at Antietam, their strengths and casualties, but I can't find them. Shame, as it would make for a great comparison. Whatever, what I have is enough.

I do have Steve's doc file containing his tabulations for Chancellorsville. The numbers he has are from Osprey, and for Colquitt's Brigade in particular, he provides the following:
  • 4th (Colquitt's) Brigade, D. H. Hill's (Rodes') Division (2623 officers & men): BG Alfred H. Colquitt
    • Staff (4)
    • 6th Georgia Infantry (616): Col. John T. Lofton
    • 19th Georgia Infantry (367): Col. Andrew J. Hutchins
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry (649): Col. Emory F. Best
    • 27th Georgia Infantry (657): Col. Charles T. Zachry
    • 28th Georgia Infantry (330): Col. Tully Graybill
As you may notice, the brigade is absolutely massive all things considered, and three of the five regiments in the brigade number over 600 men. Not bad for a brigade supposedly "destroyed" (understatement of the century).

According to Stephen Sears (Chancellorsville, Appendix II, pg. 497), the brigade suffered the following casualties at Chancellorsville:
  • 4th (Colquitt's) Brigade, D. H. Hill's (Rodes') Division: 9 k, 128 w, 312 m, 449 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 29 w, 2 m, 33 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 3 k, 33 w, 11 m, 47 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 0 k, 3 m, 296 m, 299 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 39 w, 1 m, 42 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 24 w, 2 m, 28 total
As you can tell, the brigade didn't suffer badly at Chancellorsville (partly because of errors made on Alfred Colquitt's part as well as the situation of the battle). Indeed, most of the losses came in the form of men captured, particularly in the 23rd Georgia on May 2nd, when Union III Corps skirmishers pounced upon them and bagged half the regiment as it performed screening duty for Jackson's flank march. And those men would all be exchanged and returned to duty, so the brigade really didn't suffer significant loss here.

I do not have numbers for the brigade at Olustee. I do have casualty figures, however (see this doc I compiled on the Battle of Olustee):
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 39 k, 362 w, 2 m, 403 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 5 k, 56 w, 0 m, 61 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 6 k, 88 w, 0 m, 94 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 2 k, 66 w, 2 m, 70 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 7 k, 67 w, 0 m, 74 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 10 k, 85 w, 0 m, 95 total
The brigade fought hard and well at Olustee by most if not all accounts. And indeed, it seems that despite the heavy combat losses suffered here, they remained a strong brigade when they transferred back to Virginia. There, they'd join Beauregard's force to deal with Benjamin Butler's advance from Bermuda Hundred. Before the fight at Drewry's Bluff, Alfred Young (North & South, Series II, Volume 4 No. 2, 56) estimated their numbers on May 14th:
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 1890 officers & men
    • Brigade Staff: 5
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 395
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 350
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 370
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 410
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 360
Certainly the brigade was far leaner than they were with Lee around Chancellorsville, likely a combination of casualties in that battle, Olustee and activity around Charleston. However, they were still a potent, veteran brigade.

Young's figures for the Bermuda Hundred Campaign (Lee's Army in the Overland Campaign: A Numerical Study, Appendix A, 330):
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 22 k, 140 w, 1 m, 163 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 10 k, 75 w, 0 m, 85 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 4 k, 32 w, 0 m, 36 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 4 k, 25 w, 1 m, 30 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 0 k, 0 w, 0 m, 0 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 4 k, 8 w, 0 m, 12 total

Young estimated casualties for the brigade between May 6th & 16th at 160 killed, wounded, missing and captured, and circa May 18th-19th, shows the difference (N&S ibid.):
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 1730 officers & men
    • Brigade Staff: 5
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 310
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 310
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 340
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 410
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 355
They'd then join Hoke's Division, which would soon see combat at Cold Harbor at the end of May and the first week of June. He records the following losses at Cold Harbor (Lee's Army in the Overland Campaign, ibid.)
  • Colquitt's Brigade: 40 k, 142 w, 1 w&c, 4 m, 187 total
    • Brigade Staff: 0 k, 1 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 1 total
    • 6th Georgia Infantry: 6 k, 12 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 18 total
    • 19th Georgia Infantry: 1 k, 11 w, 0 w&c, 1 m, 13 total
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry: 9 k, 18 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 27 total
    • 27th Georgia Infantry: 16 k, 62 w, 1 w&c, 3 m, 82 total
    • 28th Georgia Infantry: 8 k, 38 w, 0 w&c, 0 m, 46 total
On June 12th, Young records the strength of Colquitt's Brigade at 1545 officers & men (Lee's Army in the Overland Campaign, Table 19, pg. 247). From June 16th thru 18th, the brigade took part in the Second Battle of Petersburg, helping repulse Grant's failed attempt to take the Cockade City by assault; they lost about 126 men in the process (N&S, ibid.) After that, the brigade would play a peripheral role at the Crater, suffering 4 killed and 27 wounded (O.R. Volume 40, Part 1, 793), then take part in Mahone's flank attack at Globe Tavern on August 19th (suffering around 120 casualties, though that's speculative due to a lack of casualty reports available), then in Hoke's ill-fated assault on Fort Harrison on September 30th, suffering 223 casualties according to Richard J. Sommers.

In late december, the brigade, along with the rest of Hokes' Division, would transfer to Wilmington to assist in the defense of Fort Fisher. On New Years Eve, 1864-1865, an inspection report (3-P-46, M935, NARA Record Group 109) placed the strength of the brigade as follows:
  • Colqutt's Brigade (1460 officers & men): BG Alfred H. Colquitt
    • Brigade Staff (8 officers & men)
    • 6th Georgia Infantry (319 officers & men): Col. John T. Lofton
    • 19th Georgia Infantry (244 officers & men): Col. James H. Neal
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry (269 officers & men): Col. Marcus R. Ballenger
    • 27th Georgia Infantry (324 officers & men): Col. Charles T. Zachry
    • 28th Georgia Infantry (296 officers & men): Capt. John A. Johnson
(Note, these records can be found here)
As you can tell, compared to their strength on May 14th, they've depreciated just barely. Still, by the dawn of 1865, they are a large veteran brigade, which is becoming quite rare in the Confederacy.

The brigade would take part in the fighting around Fort Fisher and Wilmington, and later would take prominent part in the Battle of Wyse's Fork (March 8th-10th 1865), where they sustained 5 killed, 46 wounded, and 30 captured (Wade Sokolosky & Mark A. Smith, To Prepare for Sheman's Coming: The Battle of Wyse Fork March 1865, Appendix C, 258). On March 17th, the eve of the Battle of Bentonville, Hoke reported the strength of Colquitt's Brigade at 1232 officers & men (O.R. Volume 47, Part 2, 1424). In the four days of action around Bentonville, the brigade suffered the following losses (O.R. Volume 47, Part 1, 1080):
  • March 19th: 33 k, 163 w, 18 m, 214 total
  • March 20th: 0 k, 1 w, 1 m, 2 total
  • March 21st: 7 k, 13 w, 2 m, 22 total
  • March 22nd: 1 k, 1 w, 2 m, 4 total
  • Total: 41 k, 178 w, 23 m, 242 total
When the brigade finally surrender at Bennett Place, April 26th 1865, it was the largest brigade in Hoke's Division, and one of the only brigades in the army that didn't see any of its regiments consolidated:
  • Colquitt's Brigade (736 officers & men): BG Alfred H. Colquitt
    • Brigade Staff (8)
    • 6th Georgia Infantry (152): Maj. James M. Culpepper
    • 19th Georgia Infantry (135): Maj. William Hamilton
    • 23rd Georgia Infantry (92): Col. Marcus R. Ballenger
    • 27th Georgia Infantry (229): Col. Charles T. Zachry
    • 28th Georgia Infantry (122): Ltc. William P. Crawford
Certainly, the brigade had suffered heavily after Bentonville, mostly by desertions. Whereas most of the figures in this thread are predominantely PFD or another equivalent figure for potential combat strength, this final return is simply the aggregate present. Many men seemed to have deserted the ranks of the army in this time, especially after news of Lee's surrender reached camp. It certainly was more fit for duty than other brigades in Hoke's Division. The Tarheels of Kirkland's Brigade, who numbered 1093 officers & men before Bentonville, and suffered just 113 casualties there, numbered just 218 officers & men aggregate by the surrender.

Hope this was informative for a lot of folks.
That's some great info, thanks for posting it. I always had an interest in Colquitt's Brigade. When I lived in Florida one of the units we portrayed was the 28th Ga. Olustee was always a big deal for us. Going to pass this along to some of my friends down there if that's ok.
 
There's an interesting series of correspondence in the OR about consolidating McComb's (Archer's old) Tennessee brigade with Hughs' (Bushrod Johnson's old) Tennessee brigade in 1864, both of which were understrength. The officers in McComb's brigade sent a petition to McComb, asking that Hughs' Tennesseans be consolidated with their brigade, saying essentially that "the other Tennesseans want the consolidation too! They're happy with it!"

However, Colonel Hughs wrote back, saying that the statement was completely false, and that no soldier in the brigade wanted to consolidate with anyone. He appealed to the brigade's old commander, Johnson, now a division commander, and got him on the brigade's side as well.

In any case, the protests saved the brigade for only a few more months, because after the retirement of Colonel Hughs, the brigade was consolidated with McComb's. However, until the surrender, it operated as a separate contingent under McComb's command, under Colonel Horace Ready.
 
Does anyone find the reported casualty figures for Chancelorsville and Olustee suspect? the ratio of wounded to killed is just too much. I get that there's randomness involved. But I dont recall a sample size that high where the ratio is like 10:1. Could they have been using a different method of counting?
 
Does anyone find the reported casualty figures for Chancelorsville and Olustee suspect? the ratio of wounded to killed is just too much. I get that there's randomness involved. But I dont recall a sample size that high where the ratio is like 10:1. Could they have been using a different method of counting?
Perhaps, but I often find that battles in which there was no single great event of killing, that a higher ratio of wounded to killed is normal. Pea Ridge, for example, has many units with similar ratios, while I can assume that the ratios for Pickett's division at Gettysburg or Brown's division at Franklin would reflect more deaths and less woundings.
 
The rifle-musket of the time tended to be subsonic at impact and not create any cavitation. To quote myself:

Well, at short range the conical bullet does cavitate, if it is supersonic in the body (which ACW conical bullets often were not)*. It was 1898 before cavitation was reported in the literature, and it wasn't known about during the ACW.

The rate of energy transfer is proportional to the cube of the velocity of the round, times a shape factor. If more energy than it required to crush the tissue being passed through it transfered, that excess creates cavitation and a temporary wound track.

At close range, round balls were very effective at transferring energy and created large temporary cavities. They were not good at smashing through bones though, and especially at longer ranges deflected from the long bones, leaving a relatively simply fracture that could often be set. Unless it was very short range, round balls typically didn't give an exit wound, and hence transferred the entire energy of the projectile into the victim. A typical close range wound from a round ball is conical, with a ca. 1" entry round and a ca. 6" exit wound, caused by the cavitation.

The Minie balls used by the US were hard, and subsonic (in tissue). They didn't create much in the way of temporary cavities, unless they destabilised and tumbled. Wounds from Burton balls gave a curved, permanent wound track of of about an inch, and tended to smash long bones (creating secondary projectiles in the process). This meant hits to the arms and legs would often have destroyed so much of the bone as to render the limb useless and require amputation. Minies typically did exit, carrying a lot of their energy with them. Certainly, in the Crimea the .75 Minies initially used often went through the first victim, and wounded a second or even a third, but these were very large projectiles.

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At longer ranges, with conical balls, about only 10% of hit were typically lethal.
 

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